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james
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 12:25 pm    Post subject: EFFEMINATE Reply with quote

1 Cor 6:9 - Know you not that the unrighteous shall NOT inherit the kingdom of God? Be not decieved: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor EFFEMINATE, NOR ABUSERS OF THEMSELVES WITH MANKIND, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

In the KJV effeminate is define as homosexual, and abusers of themselves with mankind is defined as sodomites.( These definitions are noted in the center column of the Bible)

I hear alot of dispute over the homosexual life style when the bible seems to be clear on this issue, it is not okay. There are other scripture which tend to confirm the condemnation of homosexuality.

So my question would be how else can these two terms be viewed and is there scripture to confirm how you may view these terms?





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PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 12:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi James. Does KJV match the dictionary's definition? Here is what I got:

Effeminate \Ef*fem"i*nate\, a. [L. effeminatus, p. p. of
effeminare to make a woman of; ex out + femina a woman. See
Feminine, a.]
1. Having some characteristic of a woman, as delicacy,
luxuriousness, etc.; soft or delicate to an unmanly
degree; womanish; weak.


2. Womanlike; womanly; tender; -- in a good sense.

Note: Effeminate and womanish are generally used in a
reproachful sense; feminine and womanly, applied to
women, are epithets of propriety or commendation.

Effeminate \Ef*fem"i*nate\, v. t. [imp. & p. p. Effeminated;
p. pr. & vb. n. Effeminating.]
To make womanish; to make soft and delicate; to weaken.

If we strictly go by this definition, this would mean any male who acts like a woman. It doesn't have to mean homosexual. Not all homosexual men act like women & not all heterosexual men act like men. I know of many heterosexual men who have womanly traits. So this cannot be what Paul is talking about.

It also says in Galations that there is no male or female in Christ Jesus. Jesus says that there is no marriage in the kingdom. What does this tell us? That word "weak" keeps coming up. Why would Paul speak out against a person who is weak? Spiritually weak maybe? Not ready to stand up for God? One who backs down easily & cowers?

What will happen when the mark of the beast is put upon the individuals still left on the earth? Will you be an "effeminate" who will back down & give in to the mark? Or will you be "masculine" & stand up for what you know is right, stand up for God? To boldy declare like the apostles did so long ago, "I follow Jesus!"

James wrote:
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From another who doesn't know everything either my brother. These are just my thoughts.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 1:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Effeminate
1 Strong's Number: 3120 Greek: malakos
"soft, soft to the touch" (Lat., mollis, Eng., "mollify," "emollient," etc.), is used (a) of raiment, Mat 11:8 (twice); Luk 7:25; (b) metaphorically, in a bad sense, 1Cr 6:9, "effeminate," not simply of a male who practices forms of lewdness, but persons in general, who are guilty of addiction to sins of the flesh, voluptuous.

Mat 11:8 But what went ye out for to see? A man clothed in soft raiment? behold, they that wear soft [clothing] are in kings' houses.

Luk 7:25 But what went ye out for to see? A man clothed in soft raiment? Behold, they which are gorgeously apparelled, and live delicately, are in kings' courts.

Amo 7:10 ¶ Then Amaziah the priest of Bethel sent to Jeroboam king of Israel, saying, Amos hath conspired against thee in the midst of the house of Israel: the land is not able to bear all his words.
Amo 7:11 For thus Amos saith, Jeroboam shall die by the sword, and Israel shall surely be led away captive out of their own land.
Amo 7:12 Also Amaziah said unto Amos, O thou seer, go, flee thee away into the land of Judah, and there eat bread, and prophesy there:
Amo 7:13 But prophesy not again any more at Bethel: for it [is] the king's chapel, and it [is] the king's court.

Jhn 4:44 For Jesus himself testified, that a prophet hath no honour in his own country.

Eze 8:1 ¶ And it came to pass in the sixth year, in the sixth [month], in the fifth [day] of the month, [as] I sat in mine house, and the elders of Judah sat before me, that the hand of the Lord GOD fell there upon me.
Eze 8:2 Then I beheld, and lo a likeness as the appearance of fire: from the appearance of his loins even downward, fire; and from his loins even upward, as the appearance of brightness, as the colour of amber.
Eze 8:3 And he put forth the form of an hand, and took me by a lock of mine head; and the spirit lifted me up between the earth and the heaven, and brought me in the visions of God to Jerusalem, to the door of the inner gate that looketh toward the north; where [was] the seat of the image of jealousy, which provoketh to jealousy.
Eze 8:4 And, behold, the glory of the God of Israel [was] there, according to the vision that I saw in the plain.
Eze 8:5 ¶ Then said he unto me, Son of man, lift up thine eyes now the way toward the north. So I lifted up mine eyes the way toward the north, and behold northward at the gate of the altar this image of jealousy in the entry.
Eze 8:6 He said furthermore unto me, Son of man, seest thou what they do? [even] the great abominations that the house of Israel committeth here, that I should go far off from my sanctuary? but turn thee yet again, [and] thou shalt see greater abominations.
Eze 8:7 ¶ And he brought me to the door of the court; and when I looked, behold a hole in the wall.
Eze 8:8 Then said he unto me, Son of man, dig now in the wall: and when I had digged in the wall, behold a door.
Eze 8:9 And he said unto me, Go in, and behold the wicked abominations that they do here.
Eze 8:10 So I went in and saw; and behold every form of creeping things, and abominable beasts, and all the idols of the house of Israel, pourtrayed upon the wall round about.
Eze 8:11 And there stood before them seventy men of the ancients of the house of Israel, and in the midst of them stood Jaazaniah the son of Shaphan, with every man his censer in his hand; and a thick cloud of incense went up.

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Lev 18:23 Neither shalt thou lie with any beast to defile thyself therewith: neither shall any woman stand before a beast to lie down thereto: it [is] confusion.


Eze 8:12 Then said he unto me, Son of man, hast thou seen what the ancients of the house of Israel do in the dark, every man in the chambers of his imagery? for they say, The LORD seeth us not; the LORD hath forsaken the earth.
Eze 8:13 ¶ He said also unto me, Turn thee yet again, [and] thou shalt see greater abominations that they do.
Eze 8:14 Then he brought me to the door of the gate of the LORD'S house which [was] toward the north; and, behold, there sat women weeping for Tammuz.

Tammuz = "sprout of life"
1) a Sumerian deity of food or vegetation

Eze 8:15 ¶ Then said he unto me, Hast thou seen [this], O son of man? turn thee yet again, [and] thou shalt see greater abominations than these.
Eze 8:16 And he brought me into the inner court of the LORD'S house, and, behold, at the door of the temple of the LORD, between the porch and the altar, [were] about five and twenty men, with their backs toward the temple of the LORD, and their faces toward the east; and they worshipped the sun toward the east.

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Deu 4:15 ¶ Take ye therefore good heed unto yourselves; for ye saw no manner of similitude on the day [that] the LORD spake unto you in Horeb out of the midst of the fire:
Deu 4:16 Lest ye corrupt [yourselves], and make you a graven image, the similitude of any figure, the likeness of male or female,
Deu 4:17 The likeness of any beast that [is] on the earth, the likeness of any winged fowl that flieth in the air,
Deu 4:18 The likeness of any thing that creepeth on the ground, the likeness of any fish that [is] in the waters beneath the earth:
Deu 4:19 And lest thou lift up thine eyes unto heaven, and when thou seest the sun, and the moon, and the stars, [even] all the host of heaven, shouldest be driven to worship them, and serve them, which the LORD thy God hath divided unto all nations under the whole heaven.


Eze 8:17 ¶ Then he said unto me, Hast thou seen [this], O son of man? Is it a light thing to the house of Judah that they commit the abominations which they commit here? for they have filled the land with violence, and have returned to provoke me to anger: and, lo, they put the branch to their nose.

( "So the Vulgate has, applicant ramum ad nares suas, ""they apply the branch to their nose;"" which Jerome explains by ""a branch of the palm tree with which they adored the idols;"" and it seems plainly to allude to the Magian fire-worshippers, who, Strabo tells us, held a little bunch of twigs in their hand, when praying before the fire." )

Eze 8:18 Therefore will I also deal in fury: mine eye shall not spare, neither will I have pity: and though they cry in mine ears with a loud voice, [yet] will I not hear them.

effeminate...

1Cr 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
1Cr 6:10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
1Cr 6:11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

I'm not disagreeing with you James..just seeing that it applies to a lot more than just physical sexual relations..
it's like committing fornication and adultery with other gods too..which is spiritual.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 2:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

james wrote:
So my question would be how else can these two terms be viewed and is there scripture to confirm how you may view these terms?
The word translated "effeminate" was translated from the Greek word malakos which means "weak." The idea of femininity arose when the Greek was translated into Latin, but it can't be justified by the Greek.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 10, 2007 1:34 pm    Post subject: Re: EFFEMINATE Reply with quote

james wrote:
1 Cor 6:9 - Know you not that the unrighteous shall NOT inherit the kingdom of God? Be not decieved: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor EFFEMINATE, NOR ABUSERS OF THEMSELVES WITH MANKIND, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

In the KJV effeminate is define as homosexual, and abusers of themselves with mankind is defined as sodomites.( These definitions are noted in the center column of the Bible)

I hear alot of dispute over the homosexual life style when the bible seems to be clear on this issue, it is not okay. There are other scripture which tend to confirm the condemnation of homosexuality.

So my question would be how else can these two terms be viewed and is there scripture to confirm how you may view these terms?

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Excellent presentation, James!

Because God loves gays and str8, weak and strong, masculinity and femininity,
the first sin is for me to hate gays or straights or etc
Mt 5:43-48.

Therefore,
it is as sinful to love str8s while hating gays
as it is to hate str8s while loving gays.

See?

See Mt 6:24.
Therefore,
it is that hatred of str8s that makes gays SOOOOOO feminine or effeminate,
and
it is that hatred of gays that makes str8s SOOOOOO macho filled with machismo!
see?

Both are sin due to the Hate in them for the opposite, while the effeminacy or masculinity are NOT sins of themselves.

see?

So God is equally condemning and can equally condemn in the same harsh terms any heterosexuality that is done in Hate of homosexuality---and really only condemning the sin of HATRED in the heterosexuality!
see?

Then you see why it is so hard to get at what God really means in Lev 18 or Rom 1 and etc without reading in Love what He wrote in Love in the greek and hebrew.

Love is a language just as greek and hebrew are.
So I can not understand what greek or hebrew is written in Love if i don't know how to speak Love and until i know how to speak Love.

See?

To speak Love is the epitome of easy which is why it is SO hard for those who hate fools: easy things look foolish and foolish things are easy:
Just love all your words and their opposites in whatever language.
Matthew 22:36-40. 5:43-48. Eccles 3:1-8.

So if you now go back and read Levit 18 in Love,
Love magnifies what's written there in hebrew in Love.

Hope that helps.

with all Love and Respect,
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 10, 2007 1:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

FFT wrote:
james wrote:
So my question would be how else can these two terms be viewed and is there scripture to confirm how you may view these terms?
The word translated "effeminate" was translated from the Greek word malakos which means "weak." The idea of femininity arose when the Greek was translated into Latin, but it can't be justified by the Greek.


Well said, FFT!

But it can be justified when read in Love of weak and strong, knowing therefore that what's wrong with being weak is HATRED of the strong,
as what's wrong with strong is HATRED of the weak.

Do you see?

in Love for the weak and strong that makes Love ever strong, 2 cor 12:9-10
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