|
|
| Author |
Message |
rufus
Little Hamster
Joined: 22 Sep 2007
Posts: 75
Location: USA
|
 Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 10:05 am Post subject: Why do Jehovah's Witnesses Prohibit Voting in Elections? |
 |
|
I have a question for anyone who is, or has been, affiliated with the Jehovah's Witnesses. Why are it's members prohibited from participating in the political process, such as voting in elections?
I'm neither encouraging nor discouraging any JW or former JW to become politically active, or vote, or not vote. I'm just curious as to why they are "prohibited" by their leaders from doing so.
It's one thing to say "I don't like the choices, or their not representing me so I'm not going to vote". It quite another to say "you are commanded not to do so". Just curious, why the prohibition? |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
|
|
TBax
King of the Jungle
Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Posts: 1942
|
| Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 4:42 pm Post subject: |
|
|
If you realized the ruler of this world is Satan, that he controls the governments of this world, and that man wasn't meant to rule himself, would voting make a real difference?
No! But God's kingdom will, and we give our sole support to the furthering of this kingdoms interests.
Jesus said his disciples would be no part of this world. We believe getting involved in politics is being involved in this world. We remain neutral to such things.
| Reasoning from the Scriptures wrote: | | Jas. 4:4: “Adulteresses, do you not know that the friendship with the world is enmity with God? Whoever, therefore, wants to be a friend of the world is constituting himself an enemy of God.” (Why is the matter so serious? Because, as 1 John 5:19 says, “the whole world is lying in the power of the wicked one.” At John 14:30, Jesus referred to Satan as being “the ruler of the world.” So, no matter what worldly faction a person might support, under whose control would he really come?) |
Besides, seriously, when voting in America it seldom seems to be "pick the best person", instead it looks like "pick the less of two evils".
Humans do not have the capacity to bring about the conditions we need. God does have this capacity and will bring about better conditions through His installed king Christ Jesus.  |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
composer2005
Fierce Wolf
Joined: 14 Jul 2007
Posts: 561
|
| Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 11:24 pm Post subject: J.W's |
|
|
| TBax wrote: | | If you realized the ruler of this world is Satan, that he controls the governments of this world, . . . |
Would you care to provide evidence that your (J.W)Satan = the alleged ruler of this world, is a fallen heavenly angel literal spirit being?
Thank you |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
TBax
King of the Jungle
Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Posts: 1942
|
| Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 4:40 am Post subject: |
|
|
| composer wrote: | Would you care to provide evidence that your (J.W)Satan = the alleged ruler of this world, is a fallen heavenly angel literal spirit being?
|
Yes, to reasonable people. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
composer2005
Fierce Wolf
Joined: 14 Jul 2007
Posts: 561
|
| Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 3:59 pm Post subject: J.W's |
|
|
Duck and Dive, insulting PM's, putting words and inferring what was not actually said, sarcasm in lieu of a shred of credibility, all your attributes, and you count your hypocrisy as 'reasonable'
AND STOP SENDING ME YOUR PM's
I have asked several times now!
Anything you wish to say will be in the Public Forum as you are not to be trusted . |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
TBax
King of the Jungle
Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Posts: 1942
|
| Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 4:03 pm Post subject: |
|
|
There is a good reason I don't discuss things with you point for point. It is not because your argument is strong. 
| composer wrote: | AND STOP SENDING ME YOUR PM's
I have asked several times now! |
Then stop baiting me with more of your lies.
You can post my PMs. I have nothing to hide. Your cry of insults and whatever else is ridiculous.  |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
composer2005
Fierce Wolf
Joined: 14 Jul 2007
Posts: 561
|
| Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 4:58 pm Post subject: J.W's |
|
|
I shall wait until Steven3 has contacted you.
When you can actually muster something you wish to present as your doctrine and your supportive evidence, I am here only too eager to examine what you currently have to offer against God's Word. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
TBax
King of the Jungle
Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Posts: 1942
|
| Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 5:04 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| composer wrote: | | I shall wait until Steven3 has contacted you. |
Who cares? It is after the fact. What do you think Steven is going to correct? The last thing he sent me I sent to you.
| composer wrote: | | When you can actually muster something you wish to present as your doctrine and your supportive evidence, I am here only too eager to examine what you currently have to offer |
To a ridiculer who believes Jesus was sinfull? I think not. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
composer2005
Fierce Wolf
Joined: 14 Jul 2007
Posts: 561
|
| Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 5:22 pm Post subject: J.W's |
|
|
| composer wrote: | | I shall wait until Steven3 has contacted you. |
| TBax wrote: | | Who cares? It is after the fact. |
I care because it is still a fact and you are a liar and a slanderer and your lies and slander you shall not escape from.
| composer wrote: | | When you can actually muster something you wish to present as your doctrine and your supportive evidence, I am here only too eager to examine what you currently have to offer against God's Word. |
| TBax wrote: | | To a ridiculer who believes Jesus was sinfull? I think not. :D |
I must treat you as not ready even for the Milk yet because that is what you manifest.
You could make a start towards that Milk by demonstrating to me that Jesus didn't offer up a sacrifice just once FIRST for himself and then for the People's -
Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he offered up himself. (Heb. 7:27) KJV (My BOLD)
NB: NOT DAILY like the other high-priests BUT JUST ONCE FIRST FOR HIMSELF and then for the peoples when he offered up himself.
Then demonstrate that Jesus is not a man ((Acts 2:22) KJV says he is)and didn't therefore inherit the Adamaic cursed nature (propensity to sin) by way of his Mortal Mother Mary. (Job 14: 4) KJV -
Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: {for that: or, in whom} (Rom. 5:12) KJV
Please cease your slander and insults and instead provide accurate references and your source.
Thank you |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
TBax
King of the Jungle
Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Posts: 1942
|
| Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 5:34 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| composer wrote: | | I care because it is still a fact and you are a liar and a slanderer and your lies and slander you shall not escape from. |
Everything is on the board. What did I lie about. Realizing you lack comprehention is not a lie. Asking you questions in private is not a lie. Asking questions in private is not slander. Your twisting of this , and doing so in public, just proves your character.
I must treat you as a ridiculer.  |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
lone-traveler
Emperor of the Universe
Joined: 02 Jul 2005
Posts: 6342
Location: USA
|
| Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 6:04 pm Post subject: |
|
|
HI..
could we get back to the topic please? 
| Quote: | Why do Jehovah's Witnesses Prohibit Voting in Elections?
I have a question for anyone who is, or has been, affiliated with the Jehovah's Witnesses. Why are it's members prohibited from participating in the political process, such as voting in elections? |
thankyou... 
lone |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
TBax
King of the Jungle
Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Posts: 1942
|
| Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 6:07 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Everything would be fine if the mosquito didn't keep steping in.
Besides, asked and answered. Did you have an additional question. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Dust
Growing Lion
Joined: 10 Sep 2004
Posts: 883
Location: All over the western U.S.
|
| Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 8:05 am Post subject: Why do Jehovah's Witnesses Prohibit Voting in Elections? |
|
|
| lone-traveler wrote: | | could we get back to the topic please? |
| rufus wrote: | | Why do Jehovah's Witnesses Prohibit Voting in Elections? |
It's part of the wily subterfuge of the JW organization (or perhaps more pointedly, the Spirit behind this organization). If in the eyes of it's members the JW organization can discount all other forms of government and authority, they will be viewed as the only real governing authority....thus giving the JW organization full authoritive control over the hearts and minds of it's members. All other outward reasonings cited by the JW's are just part of the ruse, and are ultimately for the subliminal-purpose/wily-subterfuge of total control. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Zathrus
King Kong
Joined: 28 Aug 2002
Posts: 2207
Location: WI USA
|
| Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 9:47 am Post subject: |
|
|
Wow, Dust. I don't even give them that much credit. But now that you mention it, I wouldn't put it past an authoritarian, controlling religious organization to use any available means to control its members.
Of course, the abstaining from voting is also for the very reasons TBax stated here in this thread. The Witnesses are an apocalyptic group. That is, their doctrine of salvation is shaped by their views on prophecy and the end times, rather than the other way around as it ought to be. Their prophetic beliefs are emphasized far more than the message of salvation, as is evident from the pictures of a restored earthly paradise in the pamphlets they bring to our homes.
The Witnesses are but one group whose unusual views and practices, not to mention exclusivist views of salvation, are the results of misinterpreted and misapplied prophecy |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Dust
Growing Lion
Joined: 10 Sep 2004
Posts: 883
Location: All over the western U.S.
|
| Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 1:24 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Zathrus wrote: | | Wow, Dust. I don't even give them that much credit. |
Yeah Zathrus, I don't know how sinister the actual human leadership of the organization is. Most, I would imagine, are truly deceived. As I pointed out, it's the wiles of the Spirit behind the organization, who has the ultimate ability to deceive in such a subliminal and wily fashion. However, there could be some (probably not many...most are just deceived) men who truely wish to fight against God and His children and find the JW teachings/format right up their alley.....casting doubt and misleading many in a purposeful manner, but even with these the battle is not really with the flesh. I would say the vast majority of JW's at any level are just deceived, and being used as unknowing pawns. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
FAQ 
Search 
Make a Donation 
Usergroups 
Contact
Register
Submit Articles 
Log in to check your private messages 
