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Nobby
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I can't speak for Thunder, But I was just funning you! 
Hey my friend that was funny! 
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| Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2003 5:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Nobby wrote: | I can't speak for Thunder, But I was just funning you!
Hey my friend that was funny!
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No problems Nobby,
It just kind of amuses me, ppl some everywhere online assume I'm a woman, or someone/thing I'm not.
LeStat for example, thought I was a fundamentalist Christian at one point at another board within this network.
Thunder on this board assumed I was a woman, and same thing goes for chat (I usually hang out in the abortion debate in Yahoo chat, for anyone who might have been there (Name is either Fake McCoy or ivan_boring in that room))
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I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do.
When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.
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RevJP
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| Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2003 5:41 am Post subject: |
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I always thought you were a penguin..... 
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Nobby
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| Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2003 11:46 am Post subject: Kinda of the subject of this thread! |
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Let's try to get back to the topic of the thread.
God's Holy 7th Day Sabbath in Genesis
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metothezero
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| Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2003 4:56 pm Post subject: |
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Penguins were in Genesis, and I'm sure they rested on the Sabbath as well...so it's on topic.... 
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RevJP
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Basically, the idea the Silver Present Surfer Truth is trying to promote is ludicrous. The idea that God will take one point out of all He has given us in the form of HIS WORD and use that one thing to determine our salvation or lack-thereof, in spite of the sacrifice of His only begotten Son, in spite of the volumes of laws, interactions, commandments, etc. He has given us, well, it is just plain idiocy.
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Nobby
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| Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2003 11:21 am Post subject: |
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Thank you! metothezero, for getting us back on topic!
Rev. I believe that we should remember the Sabbath & keep it Holy!
I also know that to the Jew that the Saturday was the Sabbath to them. I am a Born Again Christian Gentile, & my Sabbath is on Sunday. I live under Jesus commandments The new Covenant tells me that I now am kept under God's grace .
Note: The reason for this forum was because this board was being flooded with this subject. If I see more of it, I want it to be on this forum! That is if it's the basic theme of the thread.
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RevJP
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Yes Nobby, to the Jews Saturday was the Sabbath. But not as directed by God, but as an evolution of methods of dating and uses of calendar. Consequently, there existed NO 'saturday' when God rested on the 7th day or when He gave Moses the 10 commandments. The establishment of Saturday as the Sabbath was a construct of the Jews.
If we feel we are to follow the oral traditions of the Church in this respect then we can comfortably engage in Sunday worship since that is now the oral tradition of the church and has been so for the last 1500 years.
Should we keep the Sabbath? Absolutely. Do we have to do it on Saturday or Sunday? No. Will we lose our salvation if we celebrate the Sabbath on Tuesday, or Thursday? As I said in my previous post; No, and the idea of that happening is ludicrous.
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Silver Surfer
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[quote="RevJP"]As it is written: The Carnal mind is enmity against God ...for it is not subject to the law of God...neither indeed can be", (Romans 8:7).
"To the Law...and the testimony, if they speak not according to this word...it is because there is no light in them", (Isaiah 8:20).
You have made your position quite clear.
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awaiting
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| Pardon me, but I am trying to figure out what the arguement is. Is it that someone feels that christians who do not worship on Sunday are breaking a comandment? I am just asking so please don't reply with an attack....just state your arguement. |
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metothezero
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GOSH AWAITING, YES THAT IS IT YOU'RE SUCH A DOPE!!!!!
No I'm really just kidding, that is exactly what the argument is. Pt, or Silver surfer is a Seventh Day Adventist and he believes that everyone that worships on Sunday is going to hell basically. If you want more proof look on ANY and I repeate ANY topic in this board and the former to see that this is his hobby horse which has been engrained so far in him, that I think there is no way of ever getting him off of it.
OK OK, I'm ready PT, go at me tell me how I'm wrong....
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RevJP
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| Quote: | | You have made your position quite clear. |
Actually PT, it is not my position. It is the position of Scripture. I have repeatedly shown you through scripture, oral tradition of the church, logical deduction of facts and common sense that we are not under a biblical mandate to observe the Sabbath on Saturdays.
I have repeatedly shown you (and have others) that one cannot lose salvation by disobeying a commandment of God (assuming that one has gained one's salvation according to the scriptures you have been shown ad nauseum).
My position is this: I believe what the Scriptures tell me, not what a deluded individual's misinterpretation of partial Scriptures tell him.
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Silver Surfer
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| awaiting wrote: | | Pardon me, but I am trying to figure out what the arguement is. Is it that someone feels that christians who do not worship on Sunday are breaking a comandment? |
There is a great controversy going on between Christ and Satan.
Both want the worship of men.
One has set up Sunday as his day of worship .
The other says: "REMEMBER the Sabbath day..to keep it Holy..", (Exodus 20:8-11).
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metothezero
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| SS wrote: | One has set up Sunday as his day of worship .
The other says: "REMEMBER the Sabbath day..to keep it Holy..", (Exodus 20:8-11). |
If I'm not mistaken Jesus was the one who rose on Sunday. And If I'm also not mistaken The Holy Spirit was the one who moved within the early Christians guiding them on the way they should act and worship. These actions and worshipping happened to be on that of Sunday. So by this Jesus and the Holy Spirit, so therefore God, has set up Sunday as his day of worship. BUT you say the other has said Exodus 20:8-11, which was God, So You are either completely heretical in your statements and beliefs, believing that Satan in fact wrote the ten commandments, or believing that Satan was the one who rose from the dead on Sunday. Which one is it PT, are you a SATANIST or a SATANIST???
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The very idea of freedom presupposes some objective moral law which overarches rulers and ruled alike.
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Silver Surfer
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| metothezero wrote: | | So by this Jesus and the Holy Spirit, so therefore God, has set up Sunday as his day of worship. |
Prove your statement with scripture, Please.
Show me the verse, or verses where God, Jesus , the Apostles, made the command to honor Sunday.
As far as I can find...God said to:"REMEMBER the Sabbath day to keep it Holy".
And I can find no scripture that shows where that command has been abolished.
God cannot change his law...as it would not be fair to all the other people whom God has commanded to keep it.
He would have to apologize to those sabbath breakers in the OT who he had killed, for disobeying it.
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