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james
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 Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 1:30 am Post subject: Allah manifested ? |
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| Did Allah ever manifest Himself in the flesh, to men, according to the Quran. As God manifested himself in the flesh according to 1 Timothy 3:16 ??? |
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james
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Wow, did I choose a booming topic or what ???  |
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towshab
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| Maybe because Islam does not try to reduce G-d (Allah) to man status. |
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james
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Neither do I reduce God to a "man status". He never lost His diety. My question is in reference to Genesis chapter 18 also, for there are some OT verses where God "appeared" to someone. In Gen 18 He even ate.
I also gather your answer to my simple inquiring question is no, that is all I was trying to find out. |
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towshab
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| Actually, I know next to nothing about Islam or the Koran so don't take my answer as a definitive one. I do know that they do not believe that Jesus was divine however, nor do they believe that G-d (Allah) is a triune entity. Only the Christian bible tries to turn a man into a god. Well, if you don't consider various mythologies that is. |
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james
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| Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 3:17 pm Post subject: |
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towshab,
I had a couple of questions concerning your reply, and moved this tread to the "Torah" under manifested as......
I felt it was appropriate. |
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Trinity1
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| Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2007 8:41 pm Post subject: Re: Allah manifested ? |
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| james wrote: | | Did Allah ever manifest Himself in the flesh, to men, according to the Quran. As God manifested himself in the flesh according to 1 Timothy 3:16 ??? |
No.. Mohamed never claimed to be... nor did he assert that any man had ever been God manifested in the flesh... why?
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Exodus 20:11 "For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them..."
‘The German Führer, as I have consistently maintained, is an evolutionist; he has consciously sought to make the practice of Germany conform to the theory of evolution.’ Sir Arthur Keith |
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Steven3
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| Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 10:28 pm Post subject: Re: Allah manifested ? |
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| Trinity1 wrote: | | james wrote: | | Did Allah ever manifest Himself in the flesh, to men, according to the Quran. As God manifested himself in the flesh according to 1 Timothy 3:16 ??? |
No.. Mohamed never claimed to be... nor did he assert that any man had ever been God manifested in the flesh... why? |
The NT may not either:
ΠΡΟΣ ΤΙΜΟΘΕΟΝ Α΄ 3:16 Greek NT: Textus Receptus (1894)
και ομολογουμενως μεγα εστιν το της ευσεβειας μυστηριον θεος εφανερωθη εν σαρκι εδικαιωθη εν πνευματι ωφθη αγγελοις εκηρυχθη εν εθνεσιν επιστευθη εν κοσμω ανεληφθη εν δοξη
ΠΡΟΣ ΤΙΜΟΘΕΟΝ Α΄ 3:16 Greek NT: Westcott/Hort
και ομολογουμενως μεγα εστιν το της ευσεβειας μυστηριον ος εφανερωθη εν σαρκι εδικαιωθη εν πνευματι ωφθη αγγελοις εκηρυχθη εν εθνεσιν επιστευθη εν κοσμω ανελημφθη εν δοξη
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Jo5:26 The Father ... has granted the Son also to have life in himself.
Ro6:10 the death he died he died to sin, once for all, but the life he lives he lives to God.
2Co13:4 he was crucified in weakness, but lives by the power of God. |
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Trinity1
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| Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 9:07 am Post subject: Re: Allah manifested ? |
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| Steven3 wrote: | | Trinity1 wrote: | | james wrote: | | Did Allah ever manifest Himself in the flesh, to men, according to the Quran. As God manifested himself in the flesh according to 1 Timothy 3:16 ??? |
No.. Mohamed never claimed to be... nor did he assert that any man had ever been God manifested in the flesh... why? |
The NT may not either:
ΠΡΟΣ ΤΙΜΟΘΕΟΝ Α΄ 3:16 Greek NT: Textus Receptus (1894)
και ομολογουμενως μεγα εστιν το της ευσεβειας μυστηριον θεος εφανερωθη εν σαρκι εδικαιωθη εν πνευματι ωφθη αγγελοις εκηρυχθη εν εθνεσιν επιστευθη εν κοσμω ανεληφθη εν δοξη
ΠΡΟΣ ΤΙΜΟΘΕΟΝ Α΄ 3:16 Greek NT: Westcott/Hort
και ομολογουμενως μεγα εστιν το της ευσεβειας μυστηριον ος εφανερωθη εν σαρκι εδικαιωθη εν πνευματι ωφθη αγγελοις εκηρυχθη εν εθνεσιν επιστευθη εν κοσμω ανελημφθη εν δοξη |
Very nice... unfortunately I don't speak Greek.
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| Paul wrote: | Beyond all question, the mystery of godliness is great:
He appeared in a body, was vindicated by the Spirit, was seen by angels, was preached among the nations, was believed on in the world, was taken up in glory. |
I can dig up what Bible Works has to say about this in a transliteration... but what is the point. This pretty clear.
Was Paul wrong?
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Exodus 20:11 "For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them..."
‘The German Führer, as I have consistently maintained, is an evolutionist; he has consciously sought to make the practice of Germany conform to the theory of evolution.’ Sir Arthur Keith |
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