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Luvnlife
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 Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 8:49 pm Post subject: JW's: Please tell me about Paradise earth & the Milleni |
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It's been a very long time since I was a JW (well over 20 years ago).
Please help me find the scriptures that support the picture the JW's paint of a paradise earth and the scriptures that describe what earth will be like, who will live forever in paradise on earth and when this will occur.
I also am looking for the scriptures relating to the Millenium. What the millenium is and when this will occur.
That's it for now.
Thanks for your help,
Love, Luv 
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| Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2007 1:44 pm Post subject: |
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luvnlife,
Hi,
Regarding the paradise, that is the reality that Adam and Eve enjoyed. They sinned and lost that paradise and everlasting life. Jesus came and sacrificed his life to buy back what Adam lost. This is going to happen throught the kingdom that Jesus is king of.
2 Peter 3:13 But there are new heavens and a new earth that we are awaiting according to his promise, and in these righteousness is to dwell.
The new heavens is the kingdom and the new earth is the righteous society of humans living on the earth.
The Psalms poetically describe this time.
Ps 37:10 And just a little while longer, and the wicked one will be no more;
And you will certainly give attention to his place, and he will not be.
11 But the meek ones themselves will possess the earth,
And they will indeed find their exquisite delight in the abundance of peace.
37:29 The righteous themselves will possess the earth,
And they will reside forever upon it.
Jesus mentioned this paradise and promised the evil doer dying next to him that he would be there.
Luke 23:43 And he said to him: “Truly I tell you today, You will be with me in Paradise.”
Revelation speaks of this time as well. When God's kingdom rules these conditions will become a reality.
Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth; for the former heaven and the former earth had passed away, and the sea is no more. 2 I saw also the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God and prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3 With that I heard a loud voice from the throne say: “Look! The tent of God is with mankind, and he will reside with them, and they will be his peoples. And God himself will be with them. 4 And he will wipe out every tear from their eyes, and death will be no more, neither will mourning nor outcry nor pain be anymore. The former things have passed away.”
The Millenial reign begins after Armageddon, when God brings to ruin those ruining the earth. This Millenial reign is when God's kingdom rules fully over the earth bringing the benefits of Jesus sacrifice to humans.
If you would like to learn more please contact one of Jehovah's Witnesses. We are more then willing to help others on the road to life.  This forum is not a conducive learning atmosphere, with all the ridiculers throwing in their two cents.
Take care.
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Luvnlife
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| Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2007 6:47 pm Post subject: |
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TBax;
I know what you mean. I am almost sorry sometimes that I started the thread about the NWT as I had some honest, legitimate questions and concerns but things got kind of out of hand and way off topic on that thread.
Thanks for sharing that with me. I really could not remember the scriptures partaining to the new heavens and new earth though I have always known they were there. It wasn't very long ago that I read Revelations either and in fact, I will soon be reading it again.
TBax; I really don't specifically want to study the Jehovahs Witness religion but I would be interested in studying some more of Hebrews with a couple of people who are genuinely interested in a very focused study in Hebrews. What I would like is to tackle chapters and share feedback. I will be honest, though. I like posts that are about 5 paragraphs or less long. Many times, I am limited on time and also I absorb more if the posts aren't book-length. Silver has expressed an interest in doing this too. What do you think?
..OK back on topic but going a bit sideways here.... What do you think it will be like on earth? What will humans do for fun, relaxation? How will we keep ourselves busy? Will we be able to use our skills and talents for our own happiness and to make others happy?
Sorry... I'll end here
Thanks again.
Luv
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TBax
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| Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 12:15 pm Post subject: |
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luvnlife,
Hi,
Obviously we don't know all the details. What we do know is that life will be as God intended. People will be resurrected, as the Bible says both the righteous and the unrighteous, and we will bring the righteous up to date and teach the unrighteous to live according to God's righteous standards.
Again, regarding all the details we don't know. What we do know is: Ps 145:16 You are opening your hand
And satisfying the desire of every living thing.
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Luvnlife
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| Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 7:32 pm Post subject: |
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TBax; You answer one question and raise another.
I don't recall being taught Universal Salvation as a doctrine when I was JW.
Do you believe in U.S. or am I misunderstanding the following statement?
TBax said: | Quote: | | People will be resurrected, as the Bible says both the righteous and the unrighteous, and we will bring the righteous up to date and teach the unrighteous to live according to God's righteous standards. |
Luv 
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luvnlife,
Hi,
No, we do not believe in universal salvation. People who have the opportunity to learn the truth and flatly reject it may not have the chance to live again.
Speaking to the Pharisees Jesus said:
Matt 22:33 “Serpents, offspring of vipers, how are YOU to flee from the judgment of Ge·hen´na?
There is no return or resurrection from Gehenna. In Revelation it is refered to as "the lake of fire" or "the second death".
However there are many people who have died who didn't have the chance to learn the truth. Regarding these:
Acts 24:15 and I have hope toward God, which hope these [men] themselves also entertain, that there is going to be a resurrection of both the righteous and the unrighteous.
Did this help?
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Luvnlife
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| Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 6:43 pm Post subject: |
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Yes I think so....
Yes. I understand that you are talking about the people who have never been allowed to learn about God and Jesus or who never had a chance for whatever reason to learn the truth.
Is this what the Millenium is for? Are there more scriptures that talk about the Millenium? What about people who rejected God out of anger because of the harsh blows dealt them in life (like maybe they had extremely abusive parents or maybe they have been sorely abused by a bad spouse or raped or had family murdered and the list goes on...). What about those people? What about children who died young? I had 4 cousins who died young and a nephew who was 21 days old when he died. His name was Johnny.
Sorry... my mind races sometimes....OK, a LOT of times and I can't seem to do a thing with it so I just follow it until it gets tired.
Luv
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| Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 4:50 am Post subject: |
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luvnlife,
Hi,
| luvnlife wrote: | | Is this what the Millenium is for? Are there more scriptures that talk about the Millenium? |
Partly. It is also to bring mankind to perfection on the basis of Jesus' sacrifice and for restoring the physical paradise to the earth. Whenever we see the benefits that the kingdom will bring this is usually iduring that 1000 year reign. When everything has been perfected and tested then:
1 Cor 15:24 Next, the end, when he hands over the kingdom to his God and Father, when he has brought to nothing all government and all authority and power. 25 For he must rule as king until [God] has put all enemies under his feet. 26 As the last enemy, death is to be brought to nothing. 27 For [God] “subjected all things under his feet.” But when he says that ‘all things have been subjected,’ it is evident that it is with the exception of the one who subjected all things to him. 28 But when all things will have been subjected to him, then the Son himself will also subject himself to the One who subjected all things to him, that God may be all things to everyone.
| luvnlife wrote: | What about people who rejected God out of anger because of the harsh blows dealt them in life (like maybe they had extremely abusive parents or maybe they have been sorely abused by a bad spouse or raped or had family murdered and the list goes on...). What about those people?
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Sorry, I can't help you there with specifics. God and His installed King, Jesus, are the judges and sees all the circumstances and judges accordingly. We can take comfort in the knowledge that Jehovah is righteous and merciful. Jesus perfectly reflects those same qualities.
| luvnlife wrote: | | What about children who died young? I had 4 cousins who died young and a nephew who was 21 days old when he died. His name was Johnny. |
I hate hearing about things like that. Truly sad.  But that is part of this system we live in. We take comfort in the fact that there is going to be a resurrection which will afford such individualls the opportunity to learn about God and serve Him.
| luvnlife wrote: | | Sorry... my mind races sometimes....OK, a LOT of times and I can't seem to do a thing with it so I just follow it until it gets tired. |
 You really need a study.
Take care.
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Luvnlife
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| Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 8:17 pm Post subject: |
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TBax: | Quote: | You really need a study.
Take care.
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Actually, I'm in a 'formal' study. We're working on Hebrews. And I'm always in 'informal' studies. That's why I'm here. And I study on my own as well as learning at church.
I did ask my mother a question (as she is still JW) but she has never gotten back to me on it.
It's unrelated to this post but I'll quickly tell you what my question is as you (or someone else on this forum) might be able to offer some insight:
How does one reconcile the two very different genealogies of Jesus? (is there a thread started on this somewhere already)?
OK... back to the subject. Thanks for sharing the information I asked about regarding the millenium and life on Gods new earth (after Armagedon).
Love, Luv
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| Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 4:29 am Post subject: |
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luvnlife,
Hi,
| luvnlife wrote: | | How does one reconcile the two very different genealogies of Jesus? (is there a thread started on this somewhere already)? |
One geneology is from his mother's side, and the other is from his adoptive father's side. Both Joseph and Mary were in the Davidic line of descent.
Both mention the father, Joseph, as the son in law is considered the son of the wife's father as well. Was that confusing?
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Luvnlife
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| Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 7:58 pm Post subject: |
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TBax:
| Quote: | One geneology is from his mother's side, and the other is from his adoptive father's side. Both Joseph and Mary were in the Davidic line of descent.
Both mention the father, Joseph, as the son in law is considered the son of the wife's father as well. Was that confusing? |
Not confusing at all.... I need to review the lineage again, though, because to my recollection, there were some names that were cited in both genealogies.
I did find it interesting also that in one of the genealogies were the names 'Melchi' and 'Levi' (as in the 'Melchi'zedek and 'Levi'tical Priesthoods).
Sorry.... straying again.
Thanks for the feedback. I'll consider it and get back to you.
Should I start a thread about the genealogies? I find it a facinating subject.
Luv  [/b]
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Glad to help.
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Luvnlife
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| Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 8:27 pm Post subject: |
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I know this thread has remained dormant for a few weeks but I have another question that perhaps someone can help me with:
Is the Millenium like the final cut? Like the final elimination round?
I mean, presumably, there would be a lot of people who never had the opportunity to get to know God. I imagine that there would also be many people who died young who will be part of the flock during Jesus' thousand year reign. Is this true? Will there be peace during the thousand year reign or will there be those who still will choose evil over good?
What is the reason for the Millenium?
Luv
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| Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 4:02 am Post subject: |
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luvnlife,
Excellent question.
During the Millenium Jesus will apply the benefits of his sacrifice to mankind and bring them to perfection. People will be resurrected and learn Jehovah's righteous standards. If people choose to reject those standards God isn't obligated to keep them around. That is probably why some will be "resurrected to judgement". (Acts 24:15 John 5:28,29)
There will be peace as Jesus is the Prince of Peace, and the earth will be restored as a paradise. However, at the end of the thousand years there will be a test, but the faithful have nothing to fear.
Rev 20:7 Now as soon as the thousand years have been ended, Satan will be let loose out of his prison, 8 and he will go out to mislead those nations in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Ma′gog, to gather them together for the war. The number of these is as the sand of the sea. 9 And they advanced over the breadth of the earth and encircled the camp of the holy ones and the beloved city. But fire came down out of heaven and devoured them. 10 And the Devil who was misleading them was hurled into the lake of fire and sulphur, where both the wild beast and the false prophet [already were]; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
The reason for the Millenium is to bring to reality the original purpose God had for mankind, for the earth to be filled with perfect people who truly care for one another and their heavenly Father. The rebellion sidetracked this purpose, but our loving heavenly Father brings this about through that kingdom and the king He installed, Jesus Christ.
Did that help?
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Luvnlife
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| Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 8:03 pm Post subject: |
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TBax: | Quote: | | 10 And the Devil who was misleading them was hurled into the lake of fire and sulphur, where both the wild beast and the false prophet [already were]; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever. |
There are a lot of schools of thought on this. Will this be:
A) A literal lake of fire & sulphur?
B) A separation from God, Jesus, angels and brethren on earth?
C) An eternal death?
I am still mulling over the rest of what you said in your last post so this is my only comment for now.
Luv 
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