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Silver Surfer
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 Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 12:18 pm Post subject: Is Correct Understanding of Prophecy, Neccessary ? |
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The Bible says: 2 Peter 1:19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:
1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake [as they were] moved by the Holy Ghost.
The dread results of a misunderstanding of Bible Prophecy....led the religious leaders, of Christ's day....to reject HIM, as their Savior.
The dread results of millions of people being drown in Noah's time, in the GREAT Flood....resulted from a rejection of God's Prophecy.
The saving of thousands of people in the City of Nineveh....was the results of believing God's Prophecy.
Christians, being saved during the destruction of Jersalem in 70 AD, was the result of people, believing God's prophecies.
The understanding....the correct understanding of God's prophecies, results in the destruction, or salvation of people.
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45degreeN
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One doesn't need to know and understand prophecy to gain salvation. One needs to know the gospel message to gain salvation and prophecy is just an add on, a good one but still an add on.
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Silver Surfer
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| 45degreeN wrote: | | One doesn't need to know and understand prophecy to gain salvation. One needs to know the gospel message to gain salvation and prophecy is just an add on, a good one but still an add on. |
Yes, and No.
By that I mean had the religious leaders understood prophecy correctly, they would have recognized Jesus Christ, as their Savior.
Because the Bible prophecied the time He would be Baptised, died upon the cross....ect.
Had they recognized Bible prophecy (Daniel 9:24-27), they would haver known that their rejection as a Nation, was at hand, just like Jesus told them in Matthew 21:33-46.
The bottom line is what Jesus Christ said: 4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
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james
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| I have to agree with you SS for in Matt 16:1-4 (the key being verse 3) ..."O ye hypocrites ,you can discern the face of the sky ; but can you not discern the signs of the times" and also Matt 25:1-13 the parable of the ten virgins we are told " Watch therefore for you know niether the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh." I see all over in scripture we are to be aware of the times we are living in and only through Bible prophecies can we rightly discern what time we are living in. |
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Silver Surfer
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| james wrote: | | I have to agree with you SS for in Matt 16:1-4 (the key being verse 3) ..."O ye hypocrites ,you can discern the face of the sky ; but can you not discern the signs of the times" and also Matt 25:1-13 the parable of the ten virgins we are told " Watch therefore for you know niether the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh." I see all over in scripture we are to be aware of the times we are living in and only through Bible prophecies can we rightly discern what time we are living in. |
Just as Noah knew that a flood was coming, he was shut up in the ark 7 days before it actually happened.
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45degreeN
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The Magi knew prophecy and therefore knew who was being born and went a great distance to be witness of it.
There were two people Anna and Simeon who were allowed to live extra long so they would see Christ after his birth they obviously knew prophecy well enough.
But even those who would become the disciples probably didn't know the prophecies well either, they were just inspired to follow. The multitudes who joined with the disciples after Pentecost, who heard the preaching of the apostles and believed, they might not even know the prophecies well either yet they were saved. So which is more important?
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Silver Surfer
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| 45degreeN wrote: | | The Magi knew prophecy and therefore knew who was being born and went a great distance to be witness of it. |
What is really incredible about that is the fact that the 'magi' were not part of the Nation of Israel.
What I'm saying here is that Israel's religious leaders who should have been aware of the fact, were NOT !
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There were two people Anna and Simeon who were allowed to live extra long so they would see Christ after his birth they obviously knew prophecy well enough. |
I once heard a pastor say that the need to know Prophecy was not crucial to Salvation.
I believe that he was wrong in making that statement.
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But even those who would become the disciples probably didn't know the prophecies well either, they were just inspired to follow. |
Had they understood the prophecy of Christ's death o the cross, and its implications in the Plan of Salvation, they would have saved themselves MUCH heartache, when it did happen.
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The multitudes who joined with the disciples after Pentecost, who heard the preaching of the apostles and believed, they might not even know the prophecies well either yet they were saved. So which is more important? |
In todays case, many people in the Christian world misinterpret Prophecy, which will result in their losing out on eternal life.
The "Mark of the Beast" scenerio, soon to come is a prime example of that fact.
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Christopher_John
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Location: Montreal, Canada
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| Silver Surfer wrote: | | 45degreeN wrote: | | The Magi knew prophecy and therefore knew who was being born and went a great distance to be witness of it. |
What is really incredible about that is the fact that the 'magi' were not part of the Nation of Israel.
What I'm saying here is that Israel's religious leaders who should have been aware of the fact, were NOT !
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There were two people Anna and Simeon who were allowed to live extra long so they would see Christ after his birth they obviously knew prophecy well enough. |
I once heard a pastor say that the need to know Prophecy was not crucial to Salvation.
I believe that he was wrong in making that statement.
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But even those who would become the disciples probably didn't know the prophecies well either, they were just inspired to follow. |
Had they understood the prophecy of Christ's death o the cross, and its implications in the Plan of Salvation, they would have saved themselves MUCH heartache, when it did happen.
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The multitudes who joined with the disciples after Pentecost, who heard the preaching of the apostles and believed, they might not even know the prophecies well either yet they were saved. So which is more important? |
In todays case, many people in the Christian world misinterpret Prophecy, which will result in their losing out on eternal life.
The "Mark of the Beast" scenerio, soon to come is a prime example of that fact. |
Salvation was revealed to me through prophecy, it was only after i started to understand prophecy that I began to fear God because it was prophecy that allowed me to understand God's plan for redemption and ultimately the redemption through faith in Christ.
Many social systems start out with good intentions and then become corrupted over time, much like the way Pharasaic Judaism became up until the time of Christ.
The Magi are a good example of Gentiles knowing the prophetic Jewish scriptures at that time than the Pharasees but look at who their teacher was... the Prophet Daniel...a Jew.
Daniel was regarded wiser than all the astrolgers and wisemen of the Kingdom.
Daniel 5:11-12
| Quote: | 11There is a man in thy kingdom, in whom is the spirit of the holy gods; and in the days of thy father light and understanding and wisdom, like the wisdom of the gods, was found in him; whom the king Nebuchadnezzar thy father, the king, I say, thy father, made master of the magicians,astrologers, Chaldeans, and soothsayers;
12Forasmuch as an excellent spirit, and knowledge, and understanding, interpreting of dreams, and shewing of hard sentences, and dissolving of doubts, were found in the same Daniel, whom the king named Belteshazzar: now let Daniel be called, and he will shew the interpretation.
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So it was clear that the Magi had been taught Messianic prophecy by Daniel while he was in charge of the astrologers during his time in the Babylonian empire.
Most likely he taught the Magi the prophecies of Balaam one of which speaks of a star coming forth from Jacob.
Numbers 24:17
| Quote: | | 17I shall see him, but not now: I shall behold him, but not nigh: there shall come a Star out of Jacob, and a Sceptre shall rise out of Israel, and shall smite the corners of Moab, and destroy all the children of Sheth. |
Prophecy can lead a person to salvation but will not result in any person obtaining salvation just by believing in prophecy.
What is important to those who read and study prophecy, especially where Revelation is concerned?...God's Blessing.
Revelation 1:3
| Quote: | | 3Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand. |
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Silver Surfer
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Thanks, Christopher.
It is most interesting that very few people who claim to be Christians, can prove by Bible prophecy that Jesus Christ was the Messiah, and Savior of mankind.
That prophecy is found in the 70 week prophecy of Daniel 9:24-27.
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45degreeN
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The largest population of Jews in the ancient world outside of Jerusalem was in Babylon and IMHO those Magi were Jewish. The had the largest Yeshiva and the best known one at that, clear up until Jesus' time.
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