Of that day and hour no man knows

John R Nolan · Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 4:31 pm Post subject: Second Coming

Hallo Silver.
Thank you for your prompt response;
As we look at the book of Revelation, we find John in the coming world, some suggest John was bought forward to this day, where he is being shown what we are now experiencing in the world and what is shortly to come.
The Book is no longer SEALED, and it would be interesting to know WHEN this unsealing of Scripture took place, WHO does it and HOW it occurs BEFORE the tribulation sets in.
This implies it is either very close or may have already taken place, without the Gentiles realising.
Maybe, as the Jews, the Gentile missed the coming of Rev.10:1-7 because they are too tied up in dogma, creeds and personal interpretation, duplicating the blinding of Israel. Jn.12:40; Lk.21:24; Rom. 11:7, 25; Eph.4:17-18.
As for Jesus knowing the day and the hour, yes, He knows all things at this point. Hallelujah.
Who is the 'angel' (messenger) vs.6 with whom John is conversing?
We find John talking with this 'angel' in Rev.19:9-10, is he the 'angel' of Rev.10:1-7?
Obviously it is NOT GOD, nor Jesus, the man, for the angel forbids John to worship him. Rev.19:10
Also, we read that John then sees the Lord of lords and King of kings coming, on a white horse, so we may deduce the angel John is talking with is NOT JESUS.
John sees the new Jerusalem coming down out of heaven, adorned as a BRIDE, Rev. 21:2, along with the new heaven and earth.
Is this 'angel' the one through whom GOD speaks to open the Seals, Amos.3:8?
That GOD has a reward for every man does not clarify if the reward is positive or negative, Lucifer also gets his reward, as do his angels.
These Scriptures do not tells us when is the day nor the hour.
That the Lord knows these things now is good, but how do the Gentiles recognize their hour?
How do they identify the closeness of the time except they understand Scripture which must be fulfilled BEFORE Jesus, the Man, returns in Rev.19.11-16.
Who is that comes down in Rev.10:1-7?
Jesus, the MAN, did not know the hour, until GOD revealed it to Him in glory, agreed, but what is the relevance unless we know where we are in GOD'S timetable?

Silver Surfer · Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 5:48 pm Post subject: Re: Second Coming

John R Nolan · Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 7:12 pm Post subject: Second Coming 3

What is the mystery of GOD?
You suggest it is that GOD can cause HIS children to be sinless.
Well then, that is great, but let me then ask you to explain the Godhead, the ludicrous concept of a trinity of gods, and how Mal.4:5-6, Rev.10:7, are fulfilled, and when.
When does the Second coming take place, and are you refering to the physical coming of Jesus, the Man, or to the return of GOD to open the Seals in Rev.10:1-7?
As it was in the days of Noah, what about Sodom and Gomorrah?
Is not this world now engulfed in a Sodom condition?
Has not the church world turned to the doctrines of man instead of the Doctrines of GOD?
Who is the seventh angel?
When are we to expect him?
Will you please also provide data concerning
1 Thes.4:15-16. Who are they in that catching away and, if the mystery of GOD is now finished, (not the mystery of salvation) who is the anti Christ?
Why do we have over 20,000 denominations all claiming to be GOD'S children yet unable, without serious compromises, to agree on very much except the most fundamental teachings of Scripture? That to me is somewhat of a mystery.

Silver Surfer · Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 10:33 am Post subject: Re: Second Coming 3

John R Nolan · Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 6:10 pm Post subject: MYSTERY of GOD

Thank you S.S. for your response, but, in reading it, it is difficult to find where you have actually answered my questions.
Please explain, unfold, reveal to me the supposed mystery of the trinity, which the Ante Nicean writings suggest is an invention of the roman catholic church and is merely the marriage of paganism and a perverted Christianity to pacify the idol worshippers of Rome.
Jesus did say 'go and sin no more', is that a mystery or an instruction?
You suggest that there is a family of GOD, comprised of three distinct persons, that is firstly blasphemous, "I AM the LORD thy GOD" not your family, nor organization, or have we missed something in the WORD, which is GOD, singular?
It is interesting that YOU LOOK at it thus, but Scripture is of no personal interpretation, isn't IT?
If you don't know whether Mal.4:5-6, Rev.10:7, etc. are fulfilled yet, then I suggest you still have a lot of mysteries.
If those Scriptures are fulfilled, and some believe they are, they do NOT suggest that the rapture of the church takes place immediately hence.
Are you talking about Jesus, the physical man, or Jesus, Who is GOD's chosen means to express HIMSELF to the Gentiles?
Jesus, He came in His Father's name, implying His Father's chosen name of revelation is Jesus, comes not in the flesh, again, until Rev.19.
GOD, WHO is Jesus, comes down in Rev.10:1-7, to open the Seals and REVEAL the mystery, which needs take place BEFORE He returns in flesh, as Judge, or the entire world can plead ignorance and declare an unfair trial as all relevant information, laws, etc., were NOT provided, therefore GOD would be unjust to convict anyone on the grounds of ignorance.
As GOD is not unjust, HE must reveal the mysteries BEFORE the judgement.
When you work out who the 7th angel is, we will look forward to the revelation.
When do we expect him?
My, you have a lot of mysteries; Scripture says he comes BEFORE the great and dreadful day of the Lord, doesn't IT? Mal.4:5-6
There are many anti-christs, true, but, who is THE Anti-christ? (lucifer is not an answer).
The mystery of iniquity is an explanation of why we have over 20,000 denominations, including yours, which profess Christianity; not a very sound answer.
Yes, 2 Thes. 2:7 is being fulfilled amongst us even now, and has been since Paul's day; "for the mystery of iniquity doth ALREADY work: vs.7
Read the whole chapter and get it in context. There had to come the falling away first, as has happened, the man of sin had to be revealed, and he has, who sitteth in the temple of GOD showing himself that he IS GOD"
Is that a mystery?
The children of GOD are made sinless through the death of our Lord on the cross, but we are still in this body of flesh, made out of ground cursed by GOD, and we do not experience sinlessness until we get into our new body. Rom.7:18, Phil.3:21
Maybe you could explain what the delusion GOD sends is?

Silver Surfer · Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 7:22 pm Post subject: Re: MYSTERY of GOD

John R Nolan · Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 4:02 am Post subject: Mysteries

Thank you, S.S. for your message and your continuing thoughts on the issue at hand.
You're honesty to admit you have answered as best you could is appreciated.
In re-reading your thoughts there is still much confusion in the answers and, as with all religious people, a lot of talking around the topic but failure to Scripturally answer any questions succinctly.
Neither in Jn.5:14 nor 8:11 is there any reference to an ability nor promise not to sin again, that one can see. You avoided the trinity matter well, but until you can show me, through Scripture, where GOD is three "individuals" and not ONE GOD Who manifested in different forms, you are only displaying your subservience to roman catholic dogma.
Father is NOT a name, neither is Son, nor Holy Spirit, they are adjectives which describe the characteristics of a being. I am a father, a son, and a musician, that does not make me three different individuals, nor are those titles my name.
Not according to the Bible, IT states that when the Seven Seals are removed from the BOOK, the mystery of GOD will be finished. Rev.10:7
No mystery, no questions.
Yes, we will never be GOD, and we look forward to an endless revelation of His glory; GOD is an ongoing revelation of HIMSELF; the mysteries only apply here, in this dimension.
Once you seperate Jesus from GOD, you have two Gods.
Jesus, the MAN, was the tabernacle made without hands in which the ONE GOD manifested HIMSELF, experienced life as a human, for three and a bit years. Jesus was and is NOT seperate to GOD, He was GOD expressed in human, Son, form.
Not part of GOD, "In Him dwelt the FULNESS of the GODHEAD bodily"Col.1:19, 2:9; no mention of part of GOD, but fulness.
Jesus was born sinless and never sinned, He bore our sins, experienced sin, that, as the perfect sacrifice He could pay His children's debt.
Yes, He experienced hunger, sorrow, pain, human attributes, that was the physical tabernacle, but He was born without sin.
Not A god, but THE GOD.
He was born thus to teach humility, simplicity, to demonstrate that one needs become small to attain greatness.
Do you know what the mark of the beast is?
We know who the first six angels were, get into your church histories and study, they were GOD'S messengers to the first six churches of the Gentile age.
You agree that the pope is the head of the anti-Christ, and it is the last pope, possibly an American, who will be Satan manifest in flesh, just as Judas was in Jesus' first time here.
Yes, there is only ONE correct answer, and it is GOD'S.
Your lengthy attachment was extensive in supporting what we already know, the questions put to yourself previously were actually nowhere near that difficult to answer.
As for the mysteries, no man can tell you those, as Jesus told the Pharisees and all who heard Him, search the Scriptures for in them alone is LIFE.
Enjoy the search, GOD bless you,
John

Silver Surfer · Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 5:54 am Post subject: Re: Mysteries

John R Nolan · Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 2:50 am Post subject: Re: Mysteries

John R Nolan · Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 2:59 am Post subject: QUERY

Hey S.S., maybe you can help. I received a private message, maybe from you, but when I try to open it I am told I am not authorized. Tried to contact the site but can't work out how to ask them for help, with thanks
John

charity · Little Hamster Joined: 23 Nov 2007 Posts: 75

Messages blocked?

John R Nolan · Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 5:10 am Post subject: Messages

Screen response is that I am unauthorized.
Very frustrating
Thanks
John

Silver Surfer · Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 6:43 pm Post subject: Re: Mysteries

John R Nolan · Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 1:25 am Post subject: Mark of the beast

Dan.7:23 "The 4th beast shall be the fourth kingdom..."
O.K. we agree that is describing the Roman anti-Christ system.
That in no way supports your hypothesis that enforced Sunday worship is the mark of the beast; you are correct, I do not believe such.
May one suggest that rejection of the Word of GOD, as revealed for each church age is more likely to be the mark which seperated each denominational system from the CHRISTIANS, who refused to accept the doctrines of man and walked in the GOD given LIGHT for the age in which they lived.
Paul's message was great, as long as the believers stuck to what Paul taught. Gal.1:6-9, but, unfortunately, in each age, man decided to kick GOD out and establish a religious system by which these dogs could subjugate, dominate, surpress, lie to and rip off those seeking salvation.
This happened with Martin Luther, a man of GOD, but, as soon as he died his followers went right back into catholicism, look at them now.
John Wesley had a message to get Christians BACK to the WORD, he died, satan entered and started another religion, and they died Spiritually.
Why are denominations amongst the wealthiest organizations on the planet, including your's?
Is that not contrary to Scripture?
Might be worthwhile for you to read some church histories, Smucker's Glorious Reformation, Foxes Book of Martyrs will assist. Though, are you, through your denominational rules allowed to read anything other than their propoganda?
We have unlimited background information, we have the Word of GOD, what else do you need?
There is nothing new nor revelatory to declare the Vatican is the head of the anti-Christ, so why go on about it?
At present, what you appear to believe surely will NOT help myself nor any other Christian to learn more of GOD.
You still are talking around the subject, not answering questions, my friend.
That the beasts represent political powers is also nothhing new, though some may suggest your denomination has gotten a little lost in their type casting.
Yes, Nebuchadnezzar's dream is totally understood, what is the point being made here?
You appear to believe you are to talking with some Spiritually inferior or ignorant child, when do we get to the MEAT?
Yes, it is good that you have worked out the mathematics and source of the 666 and who it indubitably identifies.
Oh, Scofield's comments on their being a secret catching away are wrong, well, does your church, your pastor suggest there is only one translation of saints?
1 Thes. 4:15-16 declares the dead IN CHRIST, Christians, who lived and died during the 2,000 years of the Gentile dispensation, will rise first, then we who are alive, CHRISTIANS, not church members, will be caught up WITH them, to meet the Lord in the air.
What about the Lord coming as a thief, to catch away His bride (the wise virgins) before the tribulation, while the foolish virgin go through the tribulation?
Rev.13 suggests the saints, sanctified ones, will be in a war with the beast, these are obviously Christians, those, the vast majority, who did NOT go in the catching away.
"Straight is the gate and narrow the way and few there be who enter there in."
Possibly Scofield had a far better comprehension than many who profess to be experts.
As for the Gentile dispensation, we have the "times of the Gentiles" Lk.21:24; this is the two thousand years when GOD deals with the Gentiles, after Israel is cut of, having fulfilled their 4 days, and murdered their Messiah, 4,000 years from Abraham to Messiah, 2,000 years of the 'times of the Gentiles' which are now complete, the next step has to be into eternity.
Nothing left to happen.