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Silver Surfer
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 Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 1:30 pm Post subject: Is the 7th Day Sabbath, Part of the Gospel ? |
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Ezekiel 20:11 And I gave them my statutes, and showed them my judgments, which [if] a man do, he shall even live in them.
20:12 Moreover also I gave them my sabbaths, to be a sign between me and them, that they might know that I [am] the LORD that sanctify them.
QUESTION: What does 'sanctify' mean, refering to people ?
20:20 And hallow my sabbaths; and they shall be a sign between me and you, that ye may know that I [am] the LORD your God.
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Revelation 14:6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,
14:7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.
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Exodus 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
20:10 But the seventh day [is] the sabbath of the LORD thy God: [in it] thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that [is] within thy gates:
20:11 For [in] six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them [is], and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
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Isaiah 66:22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.
66:23 And it shall come to pass, [that] from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.
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addbicutan
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| Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 1:19 am Post subject: Is the 7th day sabbath part of the gospel's message? |
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The commandment to observe the 7th day sabbath and not do any work in that day was given to the Israelites in the time of Moses.
Deuteronomy 5:1-3
And Moses called all Israel, and said to them: “Hear, O Israel, the statutes and judgments which I speak in your hearing today, that you may learn them and be careful to observe them.
The LORD our God made a covenant with us in Horeb.
The LORD did not make this covenant with our fathers, but with us, those who are here today, all of us who are alive.
Why were they given this commandment? Because they were once slaves in the house of Egypt:
(verse 12-15)
"Observe the Sabbath day, to keep it holy, as the LORD your God commanded you.
Six days you shall labor and do all your work,
but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your ox, nor your donkey, nor any of your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates, that your male servant and your female servant may rest as well as you.
And remember that you were a slave in the land of Egypt, and the LORD your God brought you out from there by a mighty hand and by an outstretched arm; therefore the LORD your God commanded you to keep the Sabbath day. "
Now, there are religious groups who tell their members to observe this commandment when they're not the one to whom this commandment was given!
Remember, that the commandments of God has righteousness, reasons.
When the Lord Jesus Christ preached about 2000 years ago, he said in Mark 2:27-28
"And He said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath. Therefore the Son of Man is also Lord of the Sabbath.”"
The Sabbath follows Christ. He is NOT under Sabbath.
Christ is the "REST" for his disciples.
Matthew 11:28-30
" Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For My yoke is easy and My burden is light."
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Silver Surfer
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Joined: 12 Jul 2003
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Location: Hayden, Idaho, USA
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| Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 5:19 am Post subject: Re: Is the 7th day sabbath part of the gospel's message? |
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| addbicutan wrote: | | The commandment to observe the 7th day sabbath and not do any work in that day was given to the Israelites in the time of Moses. |
Do you understand that the 7th day sabbath was created some 2300+ Years BEFORE....there ever was an Israelite ?
Genesis 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
And th 4th commandment tells us to remember the fact of its creation at the very begining......
Exodus 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
20:10 But the seventh day [is] the sabbath of the LORD thy God: [in it] thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that [is] within thy gates:
20:11 For [in] six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them [is], and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
AND, let's add to that fact by the statement from Jesus, Himself:
Mark 2:27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
2:28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.
QUESTION: Are Jews, the only 'men' on earth ?
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Deuteronomy 5:1-3
And Moses called all Israel, and said to them: “Hear, O Israel, the statutes and judgments which I speak in your hearing today, that you may learn them and be careful to observe them.
The LORD our God made a covenant with us in Horeb.
The LORD did not make this covenant with our fathers, but with us, those who are here today, all of us who are alive.
Why were they given this commandment? |
Because they were slaves, and not allowed to take a rest day, as God commanded.
After 400 years, they had forgotten the Lord's day.
| Quote: | | Now, there are religious groups who tell their members to observe this commandment when they're not the one to whom this commandment was given! |
Abraham was NOT a Jew, Yet...he kept all God's commandments, including the 4th commandment, the 7th day sabbath......
Genesis 26:4 And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;
26:5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.
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Remember, that the commandments of God has righteousness, reasons. |
Psalms 119:172 My tongue shall speak of thy word: for all thy commandments [are] righteousness.
119:173 Let thine hand help me; for I have chosen thy precepts.
119:174 I have longed for thy salvation, O LORD; and thy law [is] my delight.
When the Lord Jesus Christ preached about 2000 years ago, he said in Mark 2:27-28
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"And He said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath. Therefore the Son of Man is also Lord of the Sabbath.”" |
Again, are Jews the only 'men' on earth ?
| Quote: | The Sabbath follows Christ. He is NOT under Sabbath.
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The motive for keeping the 7th day sabbath is one of Love and loyalty....
John 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
| Quote: | | Christ is the "REST" for his disciples. |
Maybe that is the reason the Apostle Paul kept the 7th day sabbath ?
Acts 17:2 And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,
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Matthew 11:28-30
" Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For My yoke is easy and My burden is light." |
Yes, the 7th day sabbath is a day for rest, how easy is that ?
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Craig2uguys
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| Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 4:35 pm Post subject: Re: Is the 7th day sabbath part of the gospel's message? |
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| Silver Surfer wrote: |
John 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love. |
Let’s not confuse the Old Testament Law (Jesus referred to this body of laws as “my Father's commandments” which he kept so that we don’t have to and the commandments of Christ.
The gospel brings life to the believer, but the Law brings death to whoever is under it for the Law is the power of sin, and the wages of sin is death.
1 Cor. 15:55. "O DEATH, WHERE IS YOUR VICTORY? O DEATH, WHERE IS YOUR STING?"
56. The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law;
57. but thanks be to God, who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ. (NASB, 1995)
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Craig2uguys
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| Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 4:58 pm Post subject: Re: Is the 7th day sabbath part of the gospel's message? |
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| Silver Surfer wrote: |
Maybe that is the reason the Apostle Paul kept the 7th day sabbath ?
Acts 17:2 And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,
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If there is anything at all that we know for certain about Paul it is that he did NOT keep the 7th day Sabbath, and to claim that he did is to blaspheme his name.
And to teach that he did by taking a Bible verse out of context to make it appear to say the exact opposite of what it is saying is nothing less than blatant dishonesty.
Acts 17:1. Now when they had traveled through Amphipolis and Apollonia, they came to Thessalonica, where there was a synagogue of the Jews.
2. And according to Paul's custom, he went to them, and for three Sabbaths reasoned with them from the Scriptures,
3. explaining and giving evidence that the Christ had to suffer and rise again from the dead, and saying, "This Jesus whom I am proclaiming to you is the Christ."
4. And some of them were persuaded and joined Paul and Silas, along with a large number of the God- fearing Greeks and a number of the leading women.
5. But the Jews, becoming jealous and taking along some wicked men from the market place, formed a mob and set the city in an uproar; and attacking the house of Jason, they were seeking to bring them out to the people.
Paul went into the synagogue on the Sabbath, not to keep the Sabbath, but to minister the gospel to the Jews who met in the synagogue on the Sabbath. By the time being spoken of in Acts 17, Paul was no longer a Jew and a Pharisee, but a Christian who was dead to the Law, including, of course, the Sabbath.
Rom. 7:4. Therefore, my brethren, you also were made to die to the Law through the body of Christ, so that you might be joined to another, to Him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God.
Gal. 2:19. "For through the Law I died to the Law, so that I might live to God. (NASB, 1995)
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Silver Surfer
Emperor of the World
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Location: Hayden, Idaho, USA
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| Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 5:19 pm Post subject: Re: Is the 7th day sabbath part of the gospel's message? |
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| Craig2uguys wrote: | | Silver Surfer wrote: |
John 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love. |
Let’s not confuse the Old Testament Law (Jesus referred to this body of laws as “my Father's commandments” which he kept so that we don’t have to and the commandments of Christ. |
Did you know the Christ, is the one, who wrote out the 10 commandments on Mt Sinai ?
1 Corinthians 10:1 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;
10:2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;
10:3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat;
10:4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
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The gospel brings life to the believer, but the Law brings death to whoever is under it for the Law is the power of sin, and the wages of sin is death.[/color] |
Yes, there is the Law of sin and death (Romans 8:2)....a person comits sin, they die for all eternity (ONLY if they refuse to repent, of course).
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1 Cor. 15:55. "O DEATH, WHERE IS YOUR VICTORY? O DEATH, WHERE IS YOUR STING?"
56. The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law; |
This the the cry of those who, have overcome any temptations, to commit sin.
Revelation 3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.
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57. but thanks be to God, who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ. (NASB, 1995)[/b] |
Yes, those who sin no more as Jesus Christ said to do.....have gotten the Victory !
14:4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, [being] the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.
14:5 And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God.
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Craig2uguys
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| Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 6:13 pm Post subject: Re: Is the 7th day sabbath part of the gospel's message? |
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| Silver Surfer wrote: | Did you know the Christ, is the one, who wrote out the 10 commandments on Mt Sinai ?
1 Corinthians 10:1 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;
10:2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;
10:3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat;
10:4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
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I believe that Ellen G. White had a vivid imagination.
1 Cor. 10:1-4 have nothing at all to do with the Ten Commandments and who wrote them.
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Craig2uguys
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I agree that Christians can and should have victory over sin through faith in Christ, but that is irrelevant to the topic.
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Silver Surfer
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| Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 8:37 pm Post subject: Re: Is the 7th day sabbath part of the gospel's message? |
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[quote="Craig2uguys"] | Silver Surfer wrote: | Did you know the Christ, is the one, who wrote out the 10 commandments on Mt Sinai ?
1 Corinthians 10:1 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;
10:2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;
10:3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat;
10:4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
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I believe that Ellen G. White had a vivid imagination. |
What does E. White have to do with this ?
Can't you just believe what the Bible says ?
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1 Cor. 10:1-4 have nothing at all to do with the Ten Commandments and who wrote them. |
This Bible verses tells us the Christ was with Moses.
Colossians 1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated [us] into the kingdom of his dear Son:
1:14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, [even] the forgiveness of sins:
1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether [they be] thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
1:17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all [things] he might have the preeminence.
1:19 For it pleased [the Father] that in him should all fulness dwell;
1:20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, [I say], whether [they be] things in earth, or things in heaven.
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Jacinth
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Steven3
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7th Day Sabbath ....part of the Gospel Message ?
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Looking good so far 
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Jo5:26 The Father ... has granted the Son also to have life in himself.
Ro6:10 the death he died he died to sin, once for all, but the life he lives he lives to God.
2Co13:4 he was crucified in weakness, but lives by the power of God. |
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Silver Surfer
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| Steven3 wrote: | | Quote: |
7th Day Sabbath ....part of the Gospel Message ?
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Interesting, that none of the 5 wanted to know what the Bible says..... 'show me where the 7th day sabbath, is part of the gospel message'.
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james
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For myself, I did not ask because I already know your stand point and you know mine. Scriptually it is an unsound doctrine, which just causes hatred and continually condemnation for not believeing in the 7th day sabbath by those who do. The Sabbath WAS a day of rest our rest now is in Christ. To continually try to keep the day is to reject what Christ has done for us. Scripture is clear on this. Enough said.
Matt 12:5 - Have you not read in the law how that on the sabbath days the PRIEST IN THE TEMPLE PROFANETHE SABBATH AND ARE BLAMELESS |
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galen
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| james wrote: | For myself, I did not ask because I already know your stand point and you know mine. Scriptually it is an unsound doctrine, which just causes hatred and continually condemnation for not believeing in the 7th day sabbath by those who do. The Sabbath WAS a day of rest our rest now is in Christ. To continually try to keep the day is to reject what Christ has done for us. Scripture is clear on this. Enough said.
Matt 12:5 - Have you not read in the law how that on the sabbath days the PRIEST IN THE TEMPLE PROFANETHE SABBATH AND ARE BLAMELESS |
Well said |
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pato
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james wrote:[/quote]Matt 12:5 - Have you not read in the law how that on the sabbath days the PRIEST IN THE TEMPLE PROFANETHE SABBATH AND ARE BLAMELESS[/quote]
Very true james, my question to you is Why?
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