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dattaswami1
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 Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 7:06 am Post subject: Scientists have established the existence of permanently uni |
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Scientists have established the existence of permanently unimaginable God
You have two regions of unimaginable nature. One is the temporarily unimaginable region containing the deeper planes of world within the limits of the space and these are surely going to be analyzed in future by scientists. The other is the permanently unimaginable region, which exhibits the permanently unimaginable limits of space or God. Hence, scientists have established the existence of permanently unimaginable God. The unimaginable nature is the reason for wonder. Maya means wonder by its root word. Hence, we have temporary and permanent regions of Maya. Even the magic show, which creates wonder, is called as Maya, which is temporary since you can analyze it and know it after some time. But the miracle performed by the human form of the Lord can never be analyzed which is not magic and such divine miracle is a permanent Maya indicating the permanently unimaginable God in the human form. Therefore, the miracle of human incarnation and the unimaginable limits of space are one and the same in establishing the permanently unimaginable and hence permanently wonderful God.
Since there cannot be existence of two unimaginable items, there is no place for Maya and God together since both are permanently unimaginable. There can be several temporary unimaginable items in the world just like two items of a magic show. On realization the two items of the magic show give different imaginable technologies of performance of magic. But the realization of various permanently unimaginable miracles indicates only one unimaginable God. Therefore, in all the permanently unimaginable miracles, there is only one God as the basis, who is permanently unimaginable.
Maya needs a medium of imaginable nature to exhibit its unimaginable nature. The unimaginable limits of the Universe are exhibited by the imaginable Universe, which is composed by imaginable items. Similarly, the unimaginable God is exhibited by the imaginable human body, which performs the unimaginable miracles through imaginable actions and imaginable items.
For example, when the human incarnation moves its hand and produces sacred ash, the human form, hand, movement of hand and the final ash are imaginable items. With the help of these imaginable items, the generation of ash from space is exhibited as the permanently unimaginable miracle. Even the temporary Maya needs imaginable items in the magic show for exhibition. |
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FFT
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| Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 1:41 pm Post subject: |
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| dattaswami1 wrote: | | For example, when the human incarnation moves its hand and produces sacred ash, the human form, hand, movement of hand and the final ash are imaginable items. With the help of these imaginable items, the generation of ash from space is exhibited as the permanently unimaginable miracle. Even the temporary Maya needs imaginable items in the magic show for exhibition. |
Too bad Sai Baba is a con. And a pedophile at that.
Also, seeing as the whole point was that "scientists have established the existence of permanently unimaginable God," I don't see much in the way of scientists establishing anything in your post. You've asserted that there are unimaginable regions, one which is possible to eventually imagine and one which can never be imagined. And then you just treat it as proven.
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theseldomscene
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| Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 4:50 pm Post subject: |
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what does the ash represent?...
for it would seem, if an unimaginable or imaginable GOD is going to display holy ash as a miracle...
there would have a reason for it... |
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dattaswami1
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| Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 6:19 pm Post subject: |
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[quote="FFT"] | dattaswami1 wrote: | | .........establishing anything in your post. You've asserted that there are unimaginable regions, one which is possible to eventually imagine and one which can never be imagined. And then you just treat it as proven. |
Miracle indicates the existence of unimaginability. The unimaginability is God and its existence indicates the existence of God. The unimaginable power is the source of miracle. The source of that power is God. That power may or may not give the address of the God in a person who exhibits the miracle. But the miracle gives the existence of that power in that person. The power gives the indirect existence of God elsewhere. Therefore miracle is an indirect proof of existence of God but not the direct proof of the address of God.
The black magic is also power of God, which is given to Satan. The Satan and his followers are sufficient for atheists to prove the existence of super power and thereby existence of God indirectly. Let the atheist cross the miracle of a demon first. The theist should be above the level of these miracles and should try to achieve the Divine grace of God through spiritual knowledge, devotion and selfless service through sacrifice in the Divine mission of the Lord. If a Post Graduate student forgets the alphabets, what to do? Similar is the case of the theist who wants the miracle as a proof. The theist requires the correct guidance by correct spiritual knowledge at that standard. Therefore the divine knowledge alone can be the proof of the God as per Veda. |
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dattaswami1
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| Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 6:20 pm Post subject: |
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| theseldomscene wrote: | what does the ash represent?...
for it would seem, if an unimaginable or imaginable GOD is going to display holy ash as a miracle...
there would have a reason for it... |
The divine knowledge alone can be the proof of the God as per Veda. The exceptional quality of the divine knowledge (Prajnanam) is the spontaneous proof. You can experience the available highest quality of the knowledge and there is no need of any testing procedure for that. How are you selecting the Miss. World? You are experiencing the spontaneous beauty directly and there is no need of instruments to test the beauty. You are selecting the top most beauty in the available competition. If you say that some higher beauty may exist somewhere and some time in this world, the result of the competition can never be declared.
Only ugly sadists may tell like that. Gita says that the possessor of such top most knowledge that can give the most perfect guidance to the souls is God Himself (Jnanitvatmaiva…). The importance of Divine knowledge is only due to the importance of correct guidance in the spiritual path. For this the exhibition of miracle is not required. The exhibition of super power through the miracle is needed only for the low level atheists and to punish the low level devils. When a Police Officer is invited to address the college, he goes in normal civil dress. When he has to deal with criminals, he will be in the Police uniform. Even there, he will send his subordinates in the uniform to deal with the criminals. But he will not send his subordinates in uniform to address the college.
Similarly God comes to preach the Divine knowledge and sends His subordinates to exhibit miracles. Since majority is in the lower strata, the miracles have to be exhibited widely. Hence God gives the Super powers even to devils. The miracles include even the miraculous experiences in the life of any one, which prove the existence of unimaginable God.
Miracles and knowledge are the two requirements of people here in lower and higher levels respectively. Generally God meets directly the requirement of higher level. The liberated souls who are the servants of God generally meet the requirement of lower level. |
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theseldomscene
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| Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 8:29 pm Post subject: |
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| but what i am asking great dattaswami...is ash itself of an symbolic value...i mean...why not just make dirt appear?... |
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FFT
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| Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 9:51 pm Post subject: |
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| dattaswami1 wrote: | | Miracle indicates the existence of unimaginability. |
I dispute the existence of miracles.
| dattaswami1 wrote: | | The black magic is also power of God, which is given to Satan. |
There is no scriptural support for a singular being known as "Satan."
I can't really make head or tail of the rest of your post.
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