Was Mohammed a Man of God? Debate

composer2005 · Fierce Wolf Joined: 14 Jul 2007 Posts: 561

I have read almost all your posts and your credibility started at zero = 0 and has gone down from there!

You don't even accept your own teachings?

What a joke that is!

ragman13 · Fierce Puppy Joined: 07 Jul 2007 Posts: 231

Your opening question asked if Muhammad was a man of God. I answered your opening post with truths that can be found in the Quran and the Hadith and you tell me that I am a liar. Have a good day sir.

Sorry I am not going to go to your web pages. I have The Qur'an it has the text translation and Commentary in it. It’s by Abdullah Yusuf Ali.

If Muhammad did not do the things that I put in my post please prove me wrong with proofs from The Quran or from the Hadith.

In Christ service,
R.A.G.

Abdelaleem · Big Goldfish Joined: 27 Oct 2007 Posts: 66

ragman13 · Fierce Puppy Joined: 07 Jul 2007 Posts: 231

Abdelaleem said

celtic2000 · Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 10:00 am Post subject: The Quran

I live in the Middle East and have had many opportunties to talk to muslims and too better understand the Quran. Most muslim people will agree that the Quran teaches people to take care of their wives, not to beat them. Unfortunately, depending on where you are from in the ME determines how you interpret the teachings of Mohammed.

On a more important note is not what Mohammed teaches, but is Mohammed really a phrophet of God? All muslims are taught to believe in our Christian prophets and they believe Jesus was a prophet as well. They also believe in Mary and that Jesus was immactulately conceived. When you ask them if you believe in his conception, how can you possibly not believe he is the son of God, they cannot answer that question.

When you ask them why god gave the gift of miracles to all his prophets including Jesus but Mohammed never performed one miracle - they cannot answer.

Mohammed himself tells the people that God was angry at Jesus for having claimed God was his father. He respects him completely as a prophet and for his teachings and only discredits Jesus being the son of God.

So I ask this one question? Jesus tells us the only way to his father is through him. If we believe that to be true and we must - then the only conclusion I have is that Mohammed was not a prophet of God but rather an evil prescence dressed in sheeps clothing. The Quran and what appears to be decent words coming from Mohammed tells us to not believe that Jesus Christ is our savior - that he is the son of God - and through him is the way to our Father. What greater way for Satan to get at us through discrediting Jesus.

1 Thessalonians

5:21: "Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.''
To recognize false prophets we must heed the above verse and "prove all things." One does not arrive at being an over comer until he first learns the all important lesson of testing or "proving" the issues of this life. In the hour that we live there are so many things that are false and evil. We must be constantly on guard and "prove" or test things, lest we become ensnared by something that is wicked.

Jesus gives us some guidelines for determining false prophets. Matthew 7:15-23
"Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name

celtic2000 · Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 10:27 am Post subject:

One more point to make because I can't resist on reading this post. As I mentioned in the last post I have come to the conclusion Mohammed is not a prophet of God.

What is so important to remember is no matter whether we are Christians or from any other religion our faith and beliefs come through in our actions. God knows we sin, but he wants us to do our very best everyday to act in love and kindness.

If Muslim religion is so great then why do people pray five times a day, walk out the mosque and behave like raving animals. They will run you over, expect you to head out into oncoming traffic, could never acknowledge an act of kindness by saying thank you, etc.. They drink, some do drugs and most are screwing the expatriates or engaging in prostitution. They beat housemaids and drivers, don't pay them their salary, etc.. I could go on all day about the disgraceful acts I see everyday here. This is not what I call acts of God.

What I see here is not faith, it is not religion, but rather evil behavior all day long worse than I have ever seen
from any believing Christian.

When the call to prayer comes each day and those are called to worship Allah and be thankful for Mohammed, I wonder who you are really praying to because evil walks out those doors.

It is that 10 minute break five times a day that we know all muslims are off the roads in the mosqes and we can breath easy knowing we might not be run over.

hat lady · Tadpole Joined: 30 Jun 2008 Posts: 20

Dear Abdulhakeem,

Are you still interested in discussing this issue? I see that the discussion seemed to have stopped in 2007 and it is now 2008.

Here is something for you to consider about the Prophet Muhammad. Here is some proof that Muhammad was a false prophet;

When Islam’s defenders challenge Christianity and other faiths, their argument is based upon their assumption that Muhammad was the ‘Seal of the Prophets.’ According to them, this would give him the authority to supersede and refute the teachings in the Bible with his writings in the Qur’an. The Qur’an claims that Muhammad fulfilled the requirements of Deuteronomy 18:15, 18, 19; “For the Lord your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among you, from your countrymen, you shall listen to him. I will raise up a prophet from among their countrymen like you, and I will put My words in his mouth, and he shall speak to them all that I command him. It shall come to about that whoever will not listen to My words which he shall speak in My name, I Myself
will require it of him. But the prophet who speaks presumptuously in My name which I have not commanded him to speak, or which he speaks in the name of other gods, that prophet shall die.”

Requirement one: According to Deuteronomy 18:15, Moses told the children of Israel that God would raise up a Prophet who will be like him ‘of thy brethren.’ Therefore, he must be a descendent of Abraham’s promised son Jacob, not Ishmael. Moses was a descendent of the tribe of Levi, one of the twelve sons of Jacob, who was renamed Israel. Jesus was also a descendant of the tribe of Israel. Unlike Moses and Jesus, Muhammad is said to be a descendent of Ishmael, NOT Israel. Unlike Jesus in the Bible, Muhammad’s genealogy is not mentioned in the Qur’an as fulfilled prophecy. Muhammad is said to be a descendent of Ishmael, NOT Israel and does not fulfill the requirement of being a prophet raised up amongst the “countrymen” of the Israelites.

Requirement two: as we have seen, the Lord God advised Aaron and Miriam that Moses was allowed to see His appearance. The proof that Moses actually saw God can be found in Exodus 34:29-30, 35. This passage testifies that after Moses saw God on Mount Sinai in a cloud and he spoke to God. Then he returned to Israel with the Ten Commandments and his face glowed from being in God’s presence. Jesus also was in the presence of God in the cloud on mount Hermon and during the transfiguration and His face shown, in Luke 9:28 - 32. Muhammad was never in the presence of God being transfigured, or receiving instructions, his instructions are said to come from the Angel Gabriel. “Say: Whoever is an enemy to Gabriel – for he brings down the [revelation] to thy heart by Allah’s will, a confirmation of what went before, and guidance and glad tidings for those who believe.” Sura 2:97 Muhammad does not meet the requirement of being a prophet who actually was in the presence of God and received instructions from God.

Requirement three: many Muslims are taught that Sura 30:2-4 is the ‘Great Prophecy of Muhammad’, it states: “The Romans and they, after being vanquished, shall overcome, within a few years. Allah’s is the com-mand before and after; and on that day the believers shall rejoice.” As Muhammad predicted, the Romans eventually became victorious over the Persians who had first defeated them. But the amount of time Muhammad predicted this to come true by was a few years and this took a lot of years instead. How does this prediction in the Qur’an prove that Muhammad was a Prophet like Moses? This prophecy also claimed that the Romans would be vanquished in a near land, but which land? Is it the land of Mecca, Medina, or Jerusalem? This quote from the Qur’an lacks detail and is extremely vague! Considering that God is all knowing, providing a precise time frame should be expected. For God to be unspecific that the Romans would become victorious within “a few years” in an unspecific place is inconsistent with that He is an Omniscient Being who knows all things. In Genesis 15:13 God told Abraham that Israel would be in captivity and that the place would be in Egypt for four hundred years. According to Jeremiah 25:11, the prophet successfully foretells that Israel would be captive in Babylon for seventy years. The great prophecy of Muhammad does not meet the requirement of being fulfilled in exact detail.

Requirement four: during the time of Moses' birth, Exodus 1:22 reveals that the Pharaoh of Egypt made a decree that all new born male children of Israel were to be killed. When Jesus was born such a decree was made in Mathew 2:16 - 18 and a prophecy concerning such was fulfilled. When Muhammad was born, a decree of this nature and magnitude was never made. Muhammad does not fulfill the requirement of having fled from a decree of death from a ruler.

Requirement five: Moses was rescued from Pharaoh's decree in Exodus 2:2-6, 10; his mother sent him into Egypt when he was three months of age to be kept safe. Jesus was rescued from Herod’s decree in Mathew 2:13; his step-father had a dream and rose up and took Him to Egypt for three years and He was kept safe. Nothing like this ever never happened to Muhammad! Muhammad does not fulfill the requirement of being rescued from a death decree by a ruler.

Requirement six: in Deuteronomy 9:10, 11, Moses introduced a covenant relationship between God and Israel when he brought the Ten Commandments down from the mountain. In Exodus 24:4-8 it reveals that the covenant was sealed by blood. Jesus introduced a new covenant relationship between God and all mankind when He shed His blood at the cross on Mount Calvary in Mathew chapter 27. Muhammad never introduced any covenant relationship between anyone with God by blood. Muhammad does not fulfill the requirement of introducing a covenant by blood.

Requirement seven: through Moses, the God of the Bible displayed miraculous signs and wonders. Through Jesus, the God of the Bible did miraculous signs and wonders. The Qur’an reports no signs and wonders that Allah demonstrated through his prophet Muhammad. Muhammad does not fulfill the requirement of displaying miraculous signs and wonders from God.

Requirement eight: Moses offered himself to God to be slain so that his people could live and made intercession for the people. Jesus offered Himself to God to be slain so that all people could have eternal life and made intercession for people Moses as a prophet was a shadow of who was to come, Jesus who satisfied all eight requirements to be the prophet of Deuteronomy 18:15, 18, 19. Muhammad never fulfilled any of the eight requirements to be the prophet of Deuteronomy 18:15, 18, 19 that Jesus fulfilled. Although he is the acclaimed Prophet of the Islamic religion, the Qur’an does not contain any prophecy which had specific information as to time and place that was fulfilled made by Muhammad. Muhammad was not the prophet Moses prophesied of in Deuteronomy 18:15, 18 and he is a false prophet according to the evidence in scripture.

What do you think about this Abdulhakeem?

Ryck · Tiger Joined: 05 Dec 2002 Posts: 845

Mattathias · Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 7:51 pm Post subject: Re: Was Muhammad a man of God?

Ryck · Tiger Joined: 05 Dec 2002 Posts: 845