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dattaswami1
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 Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2007 6:45 pm Post subject: For what type of service to God I am suited for? |
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For what type of service to God I am suited for?
Ans. Any soul suits to the type of the service of God in which it is having the spontaneous talent. You should serve God in any way you like spontaneously without any force or fear or ambition for any fruit in return. God is pleased with such spontaneous service only and the fruit of your service is in the same phase only (Ye yathamam… Gita). If your spontaneous service is theoretical, the fruit is also theoretical. If you praise God, God will also praise you in return. He will grant you good voice and good language. If you show theoretical devotion through good emotions, He will grant you good mind. If you serve Him through knowledge, He will grant you good intelligence. If you serve Him practically, He will help you practically. If you do practical service with aspiration for some fruit in return, He will grant you the practical fruit, which is temporary like heaven. If you do practical service without aspiring any fruit in return like Hanuman, you will be granted the eternal practical fruit. |
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james
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Can you run that by me one more time, how about adding scripture too.  |
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nana
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| Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 6:06 am Post subject: |
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Datt,
| Quote: | | Any soul suits to the type of the service of God in which it is having the spontaneous talent |
Unless you can better clarify yourself I see this as wordly talk and of little value to those who walk in the spirit.
Does your statement above mean that our talents do not come from 'studying to show ourselves approved of God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed', or does our ability to serve the living God and our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ only prove of value if it is spontaneous.
It is impossible to serve the living God if one does not have knowledge and that knowledge does not come from the air, it comes from the Word of God written and recorded in the Bible for all mankind.
| Quote: | | If you praise God, God will also praise you in return. He will grant you good voice and good language |
To think that one will have good voice and good language from praising God is IMO empty word. Good voice and good language (spiritual) only comes from study; much study.
In Christ, Judy |
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dattaswami1
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| Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 6:51 am Post subject: |
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| nana wrote: | Datt,
| Quote: | | Any soul suits to the type of the service of God in which it is having the spontaneous talent |
Unless you can better clarify yourself I see this as wordly talk and of little value to those who walk in the spirit.
Does your statement above mean that our talents do not come from 'studying to show ourselves approved of God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed', or does our ability to serve the living God and our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ only prove of value if it is spontaneous.
It is impossible to serve the living God if one does not have knowledge and that knowledge does not come from the air, it comes from the Word of God written and recorded in the Bible for all mankind.
| Quote: | | If you praise God, God will also praise you in return. He will grant you good voice and good language |
To think that one will have good voice and good language from praising God is IMO empty word. Good voice and good language (spiritual) only comes from study; much study.
In Christ, Judy |
God sees the useful talent existing in you for His service and selects you. An employer also does the same and is not worried about the other defects. The employer pays the salary for the service done using a particular required talent. Similarly God rewards you for the service done by using your specific talent. God is not bothered about your other defects and will not interfere in your cycle of deeds. If you are not aspiring the reward and feel that the service of God itself is a reward, the case is totally different. When you are doing the service with such rewardless attitude, God takes the entire responsibility of your self and if necessary He may sacrifice Himself for your sake in the cycle of deeds. |
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nana
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| Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 7:15 am Post subject: |
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Datt,
| Quote: | Datt wrote:
God sees the useful talent existing in you for His service and selects you. An employer also does the same and is not worried about the other defects. The employer pays the salary for the service done using a particular required talent. Similarly God rewards you for the service done by using your specific talent. God is not bothered about your other defects and will not interfere in your cycle of deeds. If you are not aspiring the reward and feel that the service of God itself is a reward, the case is totally different. When you are doing the service with such rewardless attitude, God takes the entire responsibility of your self and if necessary He may sacrifice Himself for your sake in the cycle of deeds. |
What useful talent does God give me that will benefit the Kingdom of God that does not come by the Word of God? Can you name one?
God is not bothered about our defects because he can find none.
| Quote: | | God takes the entire responsibility of your self and if necessary He may sacrifice Himself for your sake in the cycle of deeds |
Under the New Covenant we are clean of all wordly sin before God. Christ will never die again; our faults are desolved and drowned in the deepest sea.
Heb 8:12, "For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more."
You are bringing the people back under a law of sin and death that condemns and leaves one guilty. You are speaking of worldly matters and not spiritual. If you want to shout the law then you must go to the law, but if you want to shout righteousness then you must educate yourself in the Words of forgiveness. The Words of forgiveness are written in the Bible.
In Christ, Judy |
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atoz
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| Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 7:35 am Post subject: Re: For what type of service to God I am suited for? |
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| dattaswami1 wrote: | For what type of service to God I am suited for?
Ans. Any soul suits to the type of the service of God in which it is having the spontaneous talent. You should serve God in any way you like spontaneously without any force or fear or ambition for any fruit in return. God is pleased with such spontaneous service only and the fruit of your service is in the same phase only (Ye yathamam… Gita). If your spontaneous service is theoretical, the fruit is also theoretical. If you praise God, God will also praise you in return. He will grant you good voice and good language. If you show theoretical devotion through good emotions, He will grant you good mind. If you serve Him through knowledge, He will grant you good intelligence. If you serve Him practically, He will help you practically. If you do practical service with aspiration for some fruit in return, He will grant you the practical fruit, which is temporary like heaven. If you do practical service without aspiring any fruit in return like Hanuman, you will be granted the eternal practical fruit. |
Excellent, Datt!
1 Corinthians 16:
14Let all your things[all your services] be done with Love.
i Cor 14:
4Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit.
5And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord.
6And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all.
7But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.
8For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;
9To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;
10To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:
11But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.
31But covet earnestly the best gifts:
and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way [that I just shewed you in general in verses 4-11].
1 Corinthians 13
1Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not Love, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.
2And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not Love, I am nothing.
3And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not Love, it profiteth me nothing.
4Love suffereth long, and is kind;
Love envieth not;
Love vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,
5Love Doth not behave itself unseemly,
seeketh not her own,
is not easily provoked,
thinketh no evil;
6LoveRejoiceth not in iniquity,
but rejoiceth in the truth;
7LoveBeareth all things,
believeth all things,
hopeth all things,
endureth all things.
8Lovenever faileth:
....
13 And now abideth faith, hope, Love, these three;
but the greatest of these is Love.
In the Spontaneity of Eternal Love
which Love makes us suited to & for
every type
&
all types of service
to God and man,
to God as man
and
to man as God,
atoz, the xtian hindu and hindu-christian |
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atoz
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| Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 7:44 am Post subject: |
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| dattaswami1 wrote: |
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If you are *not* aspiring the reward
and
feel that the service of God ***itself is a reward,***
the case is totally different.
When you are doing the service
***with such rewardless attitude,***
God takes the entire responsibility of your self
and
if necessary
He may sacrifice Himself for your sake in the cycle of deeds.
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Swami!
That's straight out of the Bible, The Xtian Gita!smile
U sure you not an xtian in hindu-disguise?smile
I am hearing JC in you,
and
hearing you in JC!smile
Luke 6:
35But love ye your enemies,
and do good,
and lend, hoping for nothing again;
and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil.
U must be a spiritual expert on the B-G, the Hindu Bible!smile
In the attitude of the Word Love that loves all other words as itself,
and therefore
is
its own rewArd & Re-wOrd,smile
atoz,
a hindu in JC's xtian disguise, Mt 25:40, |
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lone-traveler
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| Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 10:22 am Post subject: |
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nana,
this is how I hear it.. 
| Quote: | | Any soul suits to the type of the service of God in which it is having the spontaneous talent. |
Gal 5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
Rom 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
any soul is as many as God uses for his purpose.
| Quote: | | You should serve God in any way you like spontaneously without any force or fear or ambition for any fruit in return. |
1Cr 9:17 For if I do this thing willingly, I have a reward: but if against my will, a dispensation [of the gospel] is committed unto me.
| Quote: | | God is pleased with such spontaneous/(willingness) service only and the fruit of your service is in the same phase only (Ye yathamam… Gita). |
Luk 6:38 Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.
| Quote: | | If your spontaneous service is theoretical, the fruit is also theoretical. |
theoretical...I know this.. 
| Quote: | | If you praise God, God will also praise you in return. |
Mat 10:32 ¶ Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.
| Quote: | | He will grant you good voice and good language. |
Zep 3:9 For then will I turn to the people a pure language, that they may all call upon the name of the LORD, to serve him with one consent.
| Quote: | | If you show theoretical devotion through good emotions, He will grant you good mind. |
Isa 26:3 Thou wilt keep [him] in perfect peace, [whose] mind [is] stayed [on thee]: because he trusteth in thee.
2Cr 13:11 Finally, brethren, farewell. Be perfect, be of good comfort, be of one mind, live in peace; and the God of love and peace shall be with you.
| Quote: | | If you serve Him through knowledge, He will grant you good intelligence. |
Col 3:10 And have put on the new [man], which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:
| Quote: | | If you serve Him practically, He will help you practically. |
1Ti 5:10 Well reported of for good works; if she have brought up children, if she have lodged strangers, if she have washed the saints' feet, if she have relieved the afflicted, if she have diligently followed every good work.
Jer 23:4 And I will set up shepherds over them which shall feed them: and they shall fear no more, nor be dismayed, neither shall they be lacking, saith the LORD.
| Quote: | | If you do practical service with aspiration for some fruit in return, He will grant you the practical fruit, which is temporary like heaven. |
Mat 6:19 Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal:
| Quote: | | If you do practical service without aspiring any fruit in return like Hanuman, you will be granted the eternal practical fruit. |
Mat 6:20 But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal:
That's how I hear it nana..
hugs
lone
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Joh 15:12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you. |
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nana
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| Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 2:01 pm Post subject: |
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Hi lone,
Your interpretation is beautiful and I like the way you see what has been said.
I guess my point is that so few really know the word that no matter how many good works they do they will come up short in the end.
You know....Hosea 4:6, "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge."
A real ministry begins with the knowledge of the Word and so much of what Datt says is like the cart pulling the horse.
Its like love, every one knows that we are supose to love, but how to love only comes from knowledge. One can stand and say, have a spontaneous ministry, or love, or don't be bitter, but where is the key to be able to accomplish these tasks? It all starts with the knowledge of the Word.
How many do you know that say God is leading them to preach the Gospel and they don't have a clue about the way of God?
Jesus had a special love, he turned of the money changers tables, he told them, if they don't listen, shake the dust off your feet and so on. We see love as all peaches and cream, but it is not, it is the knowledge of the word and the ability to admonish someone when they are wrong.
Well.....I could go on and on, but thats just me, a nit picker.
In Christ, Judy |
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nana
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| Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 2:08 pm Post subject: |
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Hi lone,
Your interpretation is beautiful and I like the way you see what has been said.
I guess my point is that so few really know the word that no matter how many good works they do they will come up short in the end.
You know....Hosea 4:6, "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge."
A real ministry begins with the knowledge of the Word and so much of what Datt says is like the cart pulling the horse.
Its like love, every one knows that we are supose to love, but how to love only comes from knowledge. One can stand and say, have a spontaneous ministry, or love, or don't be bitter, but where is the key to be able to accomplish these tasks? It all starts with the knowledge of the Word.
How many do you know that say God is leading them to preach the Gospel and they don't have a clue about the way of God?
Jesus had a special love, he turned over the money changers tables, he told the diciples, if they don't listen, shake the dust off your feet and so on. But no, we see love as all peaches and cream, but it is not, it is the knowledge of the word and the ability to admonish someone when they are wrong.
Well.....I could go on and on, but thats just me, a nit-picker.
In Christ, Judy |
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nana
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| Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 2:09 pm Post subject: |
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Hi lone,
Your interpretation is beautiful and I like the way you see what has been said.
I guess my point is that so few really know the word that no matter how many good works they do they will come up short in the end.
You know....Hosea 4:6, "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge."
A real ministry begins with the knowledge of the Word and so much of what Datt says is like the cart pulling the horse.
Its like love, every one knows that we are supose to love, but how to love only comes from knowledge. One can stand and say, have a spontaneous ministry, or love, or don't be bitter, but where is the key to be able to accomplish these tasks? It all starts with the knowledge of the Word.
How many do you know that say God is leading them to preach the Gospel and they don't have a clue about the way of God?
Jesus had a special love, he turned over the money changers tables, he told the diciples, if they don't listen, shake the dust off your feet and so on. But no, we see love as all peaches and cream, but it is not, it is the knowledge of the word and the ability to admonish someone when they are wrong.
Well.....I could go on and on, but thats just me, a nit-picker.
In Christ, Judy |
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nana
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| Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 2:09 pm Post subject: |
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Hi lone,
Your interpretation is beautiful and I like the way you see what has been said.
I guess my point is that so few really know the word that no matter how many good works they do they will come up short in the end.
You know....Hosea 4:6, "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge."
A real ministry begins with the knowledge of the Word and so much of what Datt says is like the cart pulling the horse.
Its like love, every one knows that we are supose to love, but how to love only comes from knowledge. One can stand and say, have a spontaneous ministry, or love, or don't be bitter, but where is the key to be able to accomplish these tasks? It all starts with the knowledge of the Word.
How many do you know that say God is leading them to preach the Gospel and they don't have a clue about the way of God?
Jesus had a special love, he turned over the money changers tables, he told the diciples, if they don't listen, shake the dust off your feet and so on. But no, we see love as all peaches and cream, but it is not, it is the knowledge of the word and the ability to admonish someone when they are wrong.
Well.....I could go on and on, but thats just me, a nit-picker.
In Christ, Judy |
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lone-traveler
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you know what I do when I see posts are being multiplied?
I wait a few minutes and if it hasn't gone through, then I hit the refresh button.
Before I hit send I scroll down to see if the post I want to send actually got sent before I try to send it again.
It's been happening a lot today. I think the internet is just real busy.
hugs
lone
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Joh 15:12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you. |
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dattaswami1
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| Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 6:08 pm Post subject: Your service to God should not aspire anything in return |
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| lone-traveler wrote: | nana,
this is how I hear it..
| Quote: | | Any soul suits to the type of the service of God in which it is having the spontaneous talent. |
Gal 5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
Rom 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
any soul is as many as God uses for his purpose.
| Quote: | | You should serve God in any way you like spontaneously without any force or fear or ambition for any fruit in return. |
1Cr 9:17 For if I do this thing willingly, I have a reward: but if against my will, a dispensation [of the gospel] is committed unto me.
| Quote: | | God is pleased with such spontaneous/(willingness) service only and the fruit of your service is in the same phase only (Ye yathamam… Gita). |
Luk 6:38 Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.
| Quote: | | If your spontaneous service is theoretical, the fruit is also theoretical. |
theoretical...I know this..
| Quote: | | If you praise God, God will also praise you in return. |
Mat 10:32 ¶ Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.
| Quote: | | He will grant you good voice and good language. |
Zep 3:9 For then will I turn to the people a pure language, that they may all call upon the name of the LORD, to serve him with one consent.
| Quote: | | If you show theoretical devotion through good emotions, He will grant you good mind. |
Isa 26:3 Thou wilt keep [him] in perfect peace, [whose] mind [is] stayed [on thee]: because he trusteth in thee.
2Cr 13:11 Finally, brethren, farewell. Be perfect, be of good comfort, be of one mind, live in peace; and the God of love and peace shall be with you.
| Quote: | | If you serve Him through knowledge, He will grant you good intelligence. |
Col 3:10 And have put on the new [man], which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:
| Quote: | | If you serve Him practically, He will help you practically. |
1Ti 5:10 Well reported of for good works; if she have brought up children, if she have lodged strangers, if she have washed the saints' feet, if she have relieved the afflicted, if she have diligently followed every good work.
Jer 23:4 And I will set up shepherds over them which shall feed them: and they shall fear no more, nor be dismayed, neither shall they be lacking, saith the LORD.
| Quote: | | If you do practical service with aspiration for some fruit in return, He will grant you the practical fruit, which is temporary like heaven. |
Mat 6:19 Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal:
| Quote: | | If you do practical service without aspiring any fruit in return like Hanuman, you will be granted the eternal practical fruit. |
Mat 6:20 But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal:
That's how I hear it nana..
hugs
lone |
Thank you for your beatiful reply,
The unlimited real love can give bliss to the Lord and the Lord will in return also loves you in unlimited manner. If the devotee can violate anybody and anything including the justice for God, God will also violate anybody and anything including His own constitution of justice for the sake of devotee.
If the devotee cannot violate certain bonds and justice, God also cannot violate the cycle of deeds for the sake of devotee. The quality and quantity of bread will be according to the quality and quantity of the flour used to prepare it. However, one should not concentrate on the bliss of God thinking that God will bless him in return.
The concentration on the bliss of God should be natural and spontaneous and really one should not aspire any fruit from God in return. If such idea is hidden in the devotee, God will keep silent after receiving the service without any reaction. The real color of the devotee will come out since God knows any secret hidden even in the subconscious state. One should not say such love is not possible. This is not correct. It is possible since such unlimited real love is seen in the case of the love of parents towards their child. You are working day and night for the sake of your child. At the end whatever is stored by your work is totally dedicated to your child. Here both these are the climax stages of Karma Sanyasa and Karma Phala Tyaga. |
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