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FFT
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| Loveall wrote: | | I am shocked that a "so called Christian website" is tolerating the idea that Homosexuality might be ok. How horrible! |
Whenever you can come up with a reasonable argument for homosexuality being a sin, you'll have a point.
| Loveall wrote: | | Why is it, that humans are the only ones that do this? |
They aren't. By a longshot.
| Loveall wrote: | | If it is natural, then how come animals don't do it? I do know that in some rare occasions, dogs have been known to try, but let's try to remember that they are dogs. In general, animals do not do this. |
 Okay, you've clearly been misguided here. As of 1999, homosexuality has been documented in nearly 1500 individual species. It's well-documented for about 500.
Bonobos, for starters, are completely bisexual.
| Loveall wrote: | | This debate is not worth the effort. |
It may seem so if you're ignorant of the facts, but I'll happily educate you if you're not too prejudiced to notice.
| Loveall wrote: | | The answer is = Homosexuality is an abomination. |
Incorrect. Please read the thread.
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theseldomscene
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| Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 3:45 pm Post subject: |
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| loveall wrote: | | Why is it, that humans are the only ones that do this? |
who told you this?...also...
| Quote: | | I am shocked that a "so called Christian website" is tolerating the idea that Homosexuality might be ok. |
why do find the free exchange of ideas horrible?... |
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Abenadar
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| Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 5:44 pm Post subject: |
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A fallacy matters because not everyone has their mind made up when they read about an issue. When you present someone with a conclusion based on illogical or self-refuting claims, the smartest thing to do is _not_ believe you. It's a disgrace to your god to proclaim him through a fallacy.
I read the thread, I know about myriad species of animals that practice homosexuality, I understand the fallacies and arguments made, I know about the historical context of being gay throughout the biblical time periods...and I still think it's a sin. <shrugs>
The difference? I don't promote my opinion through self destructive means. |
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theseldomscene
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| Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 6:39 pm Post subject: |
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| what in the world are you talking about?... |
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eleven
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| Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 6:54 pm Post subject: |
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I think this has to be the toughest topic for me.
One one side, I don't think there is anything natural about homosexuality. One partner has to take the role of the opposite sex, so I find homosexuality completely unnatural.
On the other side, I have to have compassion for those who just seem to be wired differently as far as sexual attraction, and I don't think anyone deserves to be alone.
You guys are gonna have to help me out with this one.  |
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FFT
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| Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 7:24 pm Post subject: |
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| Abenadar wrote: | I read the thread, I know about myriad species of animals that practice homosexuality, I understand the fallacies and arguments made, I know about the historical context of being gay throughout the biblical time periods...and I still think it's a sin. <shrugs>
The difference? I don't promote my opinion through self destructive means. |
Does this mean you're going to explain why you think it's a sin or that you simply aren't going to expose your reasons because they would be revealed as unreasonable?
| eleven wrote: | | One one side, I don't think there is anything natural about homosexuality. One partner has to take the role of the opposite sex, so I find homosexuality completely unnatural. |
Unnatural is not equivalent to wrong.
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Abenadar
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| Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 1:19 am Post subject: |
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I don't see a need to substantiate my opinion since I'm not here telling anyone to agree with it 
I was only offering which side of the issue I was on so I wouldn't seem too biased while pestering people about preaching nonsense to support their beliefs. I really like it when arguments are sound, regardless of if it's correct or not. Since people tend to think of this as the last great sin they can crucify people for, I really like the idea of people checking themselves and their sources before leaving home with their torch.
Seldom, you'll have to be more specific. |
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FFT
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| Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 2:00 am Post subject: |
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| Abenadar wrote: | | I don't see a need to substantiate my opinion since I'm not here telling anyone to agree with it |
That's not a particularly reasonable position. Afraid of what may happen if you reveal your reasoning?
I understand not insisting that other people agree with your position, but that doesn't mean you get off scot-free when throughout this thread I rebutted every single verse in the Bible which appears to condemn homosexuality that I'm aware of.
Is there some other source for your belief, or do you believe I'm wrong? In either case, inquiring minds would like to know.
Of course, you can simply avoid this, but it's not particularly respectable.
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theseldomscene
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| Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 4:41 am Post subject: |
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[quote="Abenadar"]
| Quote: | | Since people tend to think of this as the last great sin they can crucify people for, I really like the idea of people checking themselves and their sources before leaving home with their torch. |
i agree ...
| Quote: | | Seldom, you'll have to be more specific |
man...your avatar is sooo adorable...i find discussing with you to be a chore... ...i just look at the picture and grin... |
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