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Abdulhakeem
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 Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2007 3:11 am Post subject: Jesus God or Man |
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| God is not man because in Hosea 11:9 God says "For I am God not man." Jesus says in John 8:40 "I am a man" in New Century Version. Therefore, Jesus is not God because Jesus was man as God is not man according to Hosea 11:9 where God says "I am God not man." |
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Colter
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| Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2007 3:56 am Post subject: |
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Our lord became man and reveled his Father to mankind and in so doing completed the final requirements for unquestioned sovereignty as our creator brother.
The stubborn persistence of anti divinity advocates has a MAN floating in heaven with all power and authority in heaven and on earth as a temp God.
Colter
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Micah denounced "the rulers who judge for reward and the priests who teach for hire and the prophets who divine for money." He taught of a day of freedom from superstition and priestcraft, saying: "But every man shall sit under his own vine, and no one shall make him afraid, for all people will live, each one according to his understanding of God." |
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TwoPutt
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Joined: 12 Jul 2007
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Location: Texas
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| Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2007 2:49 pm Post subject: Re: Jesus God or Man |
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| Abdulhakeem wrote: | | God is not man because in Hosea 11:9 God says "For I am God not man." Jesus says in John 8:40 "I am a man" in New Century Version. Therefore, Jesus is not God because Jesus was man as God is not man according to Hosea 11:9 where God says "I am God not man." |
Good observation. Not all Christians are trinitarians. |
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Abenadar
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| Can God not empower a man to do whatever He wishes? |
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Pondering
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he could, but why would he...Even leaving the attack on Christianity aside...what's the deal with Allah or the Christian God...if they both (or even one and the same as some argue) created the universe, what's the deal with working through some dude? Why not just "poof" into every home at 6 pm and announce "OK, here's the deal...." and lay out the 12 step program...
jeez...none of you ever think about how ridiculous it is that "God works in mysterious ways"?
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Luvnlife
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| Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 8:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Pondering wrote: | , | Quote: | what's the deal with working through some dude? Why not just "poof" into every home at 6 pm and announce "OK, here's the deal...." and lay out the 12 step program...
jeez...none of you ever think about how ridiculous it is that "God works in mysterious ways"? |
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Personally, I wouldn't want it the way you laid it out, Pondering.
I don't want to be forced to do something. I want to choose to do it because it's in my heart, because I decide. That's the beauty of the gift God gave us....the gift of free will.
Do you know how effective (or ineffective) 12-step programs are? These programs are VERY effective for those who buy into them, who really want to make changes in their lives. The same 12-step program is 100% INEFFECTIVE for those who really don't want to change but are going through the motions for some other reason.
In answer to Abdulhakeem's question...God is not man but Jesus was a man and is the son of God.
Why does that seem to be such a difficult idea to wrap our minds around?
Luv
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Abenadar
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| Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 1:06 am Post subject: |
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What mysterious things might I be proposing?
Haps It's not so mysterious after all. |
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Pondering
Lion King
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| luvnlife wrote: |
I don't want to be forced to do something. I want to choose to do it because it's in my heart, because I decide. That's the beauty of the gift God gave us....the gift of free will. |
I tend to agree, but feel I have that same freedom without the need for God...He's irrelevant.
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Do you know how effective (or ineffective) 12-step programs are? These programs are VERY effective for those who buy into them, who really want to make changes in their lives. The same 12-step program is 100% INEFFECTIVE for those who really don't want to change but are going through the motions for some other reason. |
hmm....you mean like religion?
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In answer to Abdulhakeem's question...God is not man but Jesus was a man and is the son of God.
Why does that seem to be such a difficult idea to wrap our minds around?
Luv |
Because it breaks up the idea of a monotheistic religion...if Jesus and God are not the same being, then you end up with a pantheon...God/demi-god, just a in the Greek myths, Zeus is a God but his half-human son Hercules was a man...a superman true, but mortal.
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Colter
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| Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 5:40 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | I tend to agree, but feel I have that same freedom without the need for God...He's Irrelevant. |
It's very sad to here another brother talk this way.
Part of the confusion of Lucifer's manifesto of false liberty was a distortion of the meaning of life.
| Quote: | | hmm....you mean like religion? |
The religion of Jesus of Nazareth was one of achieving true freedom before God. Christianity would soon contaminate Jesus' gospel with old ceremonials and Pagan concepts. Jesus taught his followers to have true freedom before God, the adventure of seeking Gods will and doing that will.
| Quote: | | Because it breaks up the idea of a monotheistic religion...if Jesus and God are not the same being, then you end up with a pantheon...God/demi-god, just a in the Greek myths, Zeus is a God but his half-human son Hercules was a man...a superman true, but mortal. |
Monotheist have confused "God is one" with "God is one man." The importance of the evolution of the "one God" concept was that it realized a final first source and center of all creation as opposed to a pantheon of unrelated Gods.
The Father, who is spirit, who is love, who is unity, who is so much more, delegates authority.
Who says that God cannot create divine offspring, creator sons who are in perfect oneness with their divine parents "The Trinity".
Colter
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Micah denounced "the rulers who judge for reward and the priests who teach for hire and the prophets who divine for money." He taught of a day of freedom from superstition and priestcraft, saying: "But every man shall sit under his own vine, and no one shall make him afraid, for all people will live, each one according to his understanding of God." |
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Luvnlife
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Colter: | Quote: | | Who says that God cannot create divine offspring, creator sons who are in perfect oneness with their divine parents "The Trinity". |
You're grasping at straws, brother Colter. The bible does not support this view.
Luv
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Colter
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| Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 4:23 am Post subject: |
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| luvnlife wrote: | Colter: | Quote: | | Who says that God cannot create divine offspring, creator sons who are in perfect oneness with their divine parents "The Trinity". |
You're grasping at straws, brother Colter. The bible does not support this view.
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The Bible didn't reveal what Jesus revealed before hand. Revelation is progressive and ongoing. The Jews had no concept of God and man combined in one person, coming down from heaven, who would raise up from the dead and return to the Fathers right hand with all power and authority in heaven and on earth.
The problem with taking human writings and elevating them to Gods word is that people become "unteachable". The Jews would not allow the saviors words to penetrate their hearts but instead were held in bondage to the legalisms and ritualistic traditions of a racial faith inherited.
Colter
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Micah denounced "the rulers who judge for reward and the priests who teach for hire and the prophets who divine for money." He taught of a day of freedom from superstition and priestcraft, saying: "But every man shall sit under his own vine, and no one shall make him afraid, for all people will live, each one according to his understanding of God." |
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Pondering
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recommend you go back and read your Greek mythology in ref to "creator god that produces offspring"....all of the other Gods sprang from a hole in Zeus' head...therefore, they were his offspring or "creator sons who are in perfect oneness with their divine parents "The Trinity". " I'm sure I've looked a further into Hinduism, there is a similar "Pantheon Creation" story....
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Colter
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| Pondering wrote: | | recommend you go back and read your Greek mythology in ref to "creator god that produces offspring"....all of the other Gods sprang from a hole in Zeus' head...therefore, they were his offspring or "creator sons who are in perfect oneness with their divine parents "The Trinity". " I'm sure I've looked a further into Hinduism, there is a similar "Pantheon Creation" story.... |
Yes, there is a lot of confusion in the world, fragments of true stories mixed with fiction in the ages when whole epochs of history could be lost in a tribal war or a library fire. It wasn't uncommon for one ruler king to try to erase the history of his predecessors. In Egypt we can see the attempted eradication of history between kings. At your local book store you can see thousands of books on the American civil war, each one with a little different perspective of history. Yet it happened.
Colter
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Micah denounced "the rulers who judge for reward and the priests who teach for hire and the prophets who divine for money." He taught of a day of freedom from superstition and priestcraft, saying: "But every man shall sit under his own vine, and no one shall make him afraid, for all people will live, each one according to his understanding of God." |
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