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JimD
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| Jim Deniston wrote: | | MoJo wrote: | Jim, why are you still quoting whole quotes of other people when you have been instructed not to do this?
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Jim, why are you still quoting whole quotes of other people when you have been instructed not to do this? |
MoJo if you look at the reply page, you will see that the part of her quote that i was trying to reply to did not come up(i do'nt understand why) so i did the best i could, bear with me please, i am doing the best i can.  |
| Quote: | | i am doing the best i can. |
If you look at my 12:24 post you will see that i am still having trouble, maybe if you could explain it again, do'nt take for granted i know anything! like, i am not sure i understand what you mean by "go back up to the reply part" |
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JimD
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| Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 3:42 pm Post subject: |
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| [quote="Colter"][quote]“for all people will live, each one testing-testing Jim D |
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JimD
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| Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 3:51 pm Post subject: TRINITY |
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Colter[/quote] Today there's mainly a lot of persecution and fear manipulation of people who dare go there. Testing, Testing, Jim D |
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JimD
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| Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 3:58 pm Post subject: TRINITY |
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| Colter wrote: | | Quote: | | Colter“for all people will live, each one according to his understanding of God." I could not find this part of your quote from Micah??? |
| Quote: | | Hebrew History from the UB: |
Yes, that's correct, it was revealed ( re-revealed) in the Urantia Book.
During the Babylonion captivity the Hebrew preists redacted and editid the entire OT creating a new story specifically for themselves, that's the reason for the obveous bias. The Jews have no secular history because the preist destroyed all of it makeing them a miraculous people. This is why the Son of God did not fit their expected Messiah, and still doesn't.
It really is only within the last hundred years that scholors have begun a critical examination of the so called "sacred scriptures". Preveous critics were tortured and murdered by the church. Today there's mainly a lot of persecution and fear manipulation of people who dare go there.
Hebrew History from the UB:
http://mercy.urantia.org/papers/paper97.html
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JimD
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| Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 4:01 pm Post subject: TRINITY |
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| [quote="Colter"][quote]During the |
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JimD
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| Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 4:07 pm Post subject: |
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| Colter wrote: | | Quote: | | “for all people will live, each one according to his understanding of God." I could not find this part of your quote from Micah??? |
| Quote: | | Quote: | | Hebrew History from the UB: |
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Yes, that's correct, it was revealed ( re-revealed) in the Urantia Book.
During the Babylonion captivity the Hebrew preists redacted and editid the entire OT creating a new story specifically for themselves, that's the reason for the obveous bias. The Jews have no secular history because the preist destroyed all of it makeing them a miraculous people. This is why the Son of God did not fit their expected Messiah, and still doesn't.
It really is only within the last hundred years that scholors have begun a critical examination of the so called "sacred scriptures". Preveous critics were tortured and murdered by the church. Today there's mainly a lot of persecution and fear manipulation of people who dare go there.
Hebrew History from the UB:
http://mercy.urantia.org/papers/paper97.html
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JimD
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| Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 4:11 pm Post subject: TRINITY |
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| [quote="Colter"][quote][quote]Yes, that's correct, it was revealed ( re-revealed) in the Urantia |
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JimD
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| Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 4:16 pm Post subject: TRINITY |
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Colter said "It really is only within the last hundred years that scholors have begun a critical examination of the so called "sacred scriptures". |
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luvnlife
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| Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 5:34 pm Post subject: |
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Abenadar: | Quote: | | One cannot reference the bible while dismissing what it represents. But we prefer to argue based on modern things corrupted from the source. Look at the division in this thread and how it springs not from the Bible but from what people may've done with it. For those that want to bring us back, it's a mess! I can scarcely start on fighting the trinity without having to drag people back to the Bible to redefine, accurately this time, our terms |
I find it very interesting that you made this statement yet, you yourself did not quote one thing from the bible.
If you look back at the first 2 or 3 pages of this thread, you will find nothing but biblical references supporting the fact that the trinity is not based in fact at all.
Thanks,
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luvnlife
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| Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 5:35 pm Post subject: |
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Abenadar
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| Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 5:32 pm Post subject: |
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I am, of course, happy to do the same. Since I seem to agree with your points, repeating them serves no purpose. I made mention of things disregarded or forgotten in the bible, but bringing them up in my post would've served only to create tangents.
Ya want me to back something up? |
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luvnlife
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| Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 8:46 pm Post subject: |
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[quote="Abenadar"]
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No. I would like to see the people who are asserting that they believe in the Trinity read each and every verse quoted in those first few pages though and then tell us why they still believe in the Trinity.
I don't understand how people can read verse after verse in the bible telling them that Jesus is the son of God and still believe in the Trinity. What about the verses where Jesus himself says he is the son of God? Or rebukes someone for calling him good pointing out that only his Father is good? Or the verses that point out that everything he (Jesus) is doing is of and from his Father? What about the statements that there is but one God and that you should not worship other Gods?
Those of you who believe in the trinity will you explain, please, after reading all of the bible verses that DO NOT support the trinity, how can you believe in the bible and the trinity?
Inquiring minds want to know....
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composer2005
Fierce Wolf
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| Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 9:11 pm Post subject: trinity discussion |
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The late Dr. W R Matthews, Dean of St Paul's Cathedral, wrote:
"It must be admitted by everyone who has the rudiments of an historical sense that the doctrine of the Trinity, as a doctrine, formed no part of the original message. St Paul knew it not, and would have been unable to understand the meaning of the terms used in the theological formula on which the Church ultimately agreed". (27) (My BOLD)
Or more recently:
"In order to understand the doctrine of the Trinity it is necessary to understand that the doctrine is a development, and why it developed. ... It is a waste of time to attempt to read Trinitarian doctrine directly off the pages of the New Testament". (28) (My BOLD)
NB: It formed NO PART of the Original Message!
The trinity doctrine was even forced upon all possible using death sentence Laws and torture if you refused to yield. (http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=56264)
27. "God in Christian Thought and Experience", p.180
28. A & R Hanson: "Reasonable Belief, A survey of the Christian Faith, p.171-173,1980 |
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JimD
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| Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 11:09 pm Post subject: |
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Love, Luv[/quote]Inquiring minds want to know.... Thats what we are all about, Jim D |
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JimD
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| Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 11:17 pm Post subject: Re: trinity discussion |
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[quote="composer2005"]The trinity doctrine was even forced upon all possible using death sentence Laws and torture if you refused to yield. (http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=56264)
Now thats real strange behaviour for a christian, would'nt you say? |
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