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Silver Surfer King Kong
Joined: 12 Jul 2003
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Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 9:34 am Post subject: !844 Message (Judgment Day Started) |
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William Millers' Contempaires
Those who taught the 1844 message, of the Judgment time of God starting (Daniel 8:14 & Revelation 14:6,7).
#1.) Williams Miller (a Baptist Pastor), of New York State.
#2.) A. J. Krupp, of Philadelphia.
#3.) David McGregor, of Falmouth, Mass.
#4.) Edward Irving, of England.
#5.) Archibald Mason, of Scotland.
#6.) W. E. Davis, of South Carolina.
#7.) Joseph Wolff, who labored in various parts of Africa, as well as in Europe.
#8.) Alexander Campbell, in his debate with R. Dale Owen, 1829.
#9.) Capt. A. Landers of Liverpool, England.
#10.) Leonard Heinrich Kebler, of Stuttgard, Germany.
#11.) Laucunza, of Spain, in his book, "Ben Ezra".
#12.) Hentzepter, of Hague, Holland.
#13.) Dr. Capadose, of Amsterdam, Holland.
#14.) Rau, of Bavaria.
#15.) Priests of Tartary, in 1821.
#16.) Bible students of Yemen, in the book called, "Seera".
#17.) Hengstenberg, in another part of Germany.
#18.) Russians, on the Caspian Sea.
#19.) Molokaners, on the shores of the Baltic Sea.
And, there may be more, yet unrecorded of.
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Comments:
"In the mouth of 2 or 3 witnesses shall every word be established", (2 Corinthians 13:1).
Below is the Bible Prophecy these men, throughout the world, were proclaiming.......
Daniel 8:14 "And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed".
And, what does God says about any prophecy ?
2 Peter 1:19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:
1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
QUESTION: 'no private interpretation'.......and how many men were giving the 2300 day prophecy ?
1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake [as they were] moved by the Holy Ghost. |
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Zathrus King Kong
Joined: 28 Aug 2002
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Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 6:39 pm Post subject: |
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Can you explain these peoples' interpretation of the 2300 day prophecy in a bit more detail?
I happened to read a little about the Adventist teaching on this last week. Didn't they begin counting from the time the decree was issued to rebuild the temple (in Nehemiah's time) and then assume each day prophetically meant a solar year, then calculate 2300 years after the decree to rebuild the temple, to arrive at 1844? |
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james Bear
Joined: 18 Sep 2007 Posts: 652
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Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 12:25 am Post subject: |
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I do not know if I am on the same page with what you are trying to say in your thread, but what came to my mind was in the OT how there were a couple of examples were there were a group of prophets prophecying the same thing and then one prophet came and said their prophecy's where given them by a lying spirit.(1 Kings 22 concerning Micaiah)
I believe this shows we should not believe a doctrine just because the majority are in agreement on it or they all preach the same thing, it could be a lie. But we should compare with scripture whether those things are so. Actually I believe scriptually the majority have always been wrong. Matt 7:14 - "narrow is the way which leadeth unto life and FEW THERE BE THAT FIND IT." |
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Zathrus King Kong
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Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 5:55 am Post subject: |
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Never mind, SS. Here it is. I found it on www.adventistbiblicalresearch.org.
| Quote: | A key passage of Miller's was Daniel 8:14: "Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed." Accepting the common rules of prophetic interpretation of his own time, especially the "year-day principle,"[2] Miller arrived at the conclusion that the 2300 days of the vision of Daniel 8 represented 2300 literal years. And using as his starting point the date for the commencement of the 490 years in Daniel 9:24-27, namely 457 B.C.,[3] he reckoned that the 2300-year period would climax in 1843.
Miller believed that the sanctuary mentioned in Daniel 8:14 was the worldwide "spiritual sanctuary," or church, of the Christian Age. Accordingly, he concluded that in 1843 Christ would return to cleanse the earth of papal abominations through the fire of divine judgment. |
| james wrote: | | Actually I believe scriptually the majority have always been wrong. Matt 7:14 - "narrow is the way which leadeth unto life and FEW THERE BE THAT FIND IT." | james,
I had the same thought when reading the opening post. I found it ironic that our Adventist friends on these boards are quick to quote the very same verse in Matt 7 that you did when multiple other posters on these boards question their claims, yet appeal to the fact that numerous people in the 1800's, not just William Miller, were convinced the 2nd coming of Christ would occur in 1844 as confirmation that their message is true.
The 1800's were not a good time for the truth. If we apply this method of believing what numerous people were considering to be true in the 1800's, we might also
1.) believe that more complex organisms evolved from simpler species.
2.) believe that a group of exiled Jews settled in North America, received very detailed prophetic vision from God, and was visited by Jesus Christ around the time of His incarnation in Israel.
3.) believe that it was justifiable to enslave other human beings. This was not abolished in the US until the 1860's.
Of all the voices proclaiming various ideas in the 1800's, perhaps only James Stewart Russel came even close to saying something that sounds sensible to me. |
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james Bear
Joined: 18 Sep 2007 Posts: 652
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Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 11:05 am Post subject: |
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zathrus,
I must admit I am not too familiar with Russel, although his name does sound familiar. I did do a study once on the time period a few years back. I do not want to take away the main thought of this thread, but could you quickly tell me about Russel ?? |
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Zathrus King Kong
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Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 2:47 pm Post subject: |
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james
Here is a link to his book "The Parousia"
Some quotes:
(On Matthew 24:29)
| Quote: | | "What, then, is the great catastrophe symbolically represented as the shaking of the earth and heavens? No doubt it is the overthrow and abolition of the Mosaic dispensation, or old covenant; the destruction of the Jewish church and state, together with all the institutions and ordinances connected therewith. There were 'heavenly things' belonging to the dispensation: the laws, and statutes, and ordinances, which were divine in their origin, and might be properly called the 'spiritualia' of Judaism - these were the heavens, which were to be shaken and removed. There were also 'earthly things:' the literal Jerusalem, the material temple, the land of Canaan - these were the earth, which was in like manner to be shaken and removed. The symbols are, in fact, equivalent to those employed by our Lord when predicting the doom of Israel. 'Immediately after the tribulation of those days (the horrors of the siege of Jerusalem) shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken' (Matt 24:29). Both passages refer to the same catastrophe and employ very similar figures; besides which we have the authority of our Lord for fixing the event and the period of which He speaks within the limits of the generation then in existence: that is to say, the reference can only be to the judgment of the Jewish nation and the abrogation of the Mosaic economy at the Parousia." | (p. 289-290).
(on the Nature of Christ's Return)
| Quote: | | "It is possible to believe in the fulfillment of predictions which take effect in the visible order of things, because we have historical evidence of that fulfillment; but how can we be expected to believe in fulfillments which are said to have taken place in the region of the spiritual and invisible when we have no witnesses to depose to the facts? We implicitly believe in the accomplishment of all that was predicted respecting the horrors of the siege of Jerusalem, the burning of the temple, and the demolition of the city, because we have the testimony of Josephus to the facts; but how can we believe in a coming of the Son of man, in a resurrection of the dead, in an act of judgment, when we have nothing but the word of prophecy to rely upon, and no Josephus to vouch for the historical accuracy of the facts? "To this it can only be said in reply that the demand for human testimony to events in the region of the unseen is not altogether reasonable. If we receive them at all it must be on the word of Him who declared that all these things would assuredly take place before that generation passed away. But, after all, is the demand upon our faith in this matter so very excessive ? A large portion of these predictions we know to have been literally and punctually fulfilled; we recognise in that accomplishment a remarkable proof of the truth of the word of God and the superhuman prescience that foresaw and foretold the future. Could any thing have been less probable at the time when our Lord delivered his prophetic discourse than the total destruction of the temple, the razing of the city, and the ruin of the nation in the lifetime of the existing generation ? What can be more minute and particular than the signs of the end enumerated by our Lord ? What can be more precise and literal than the fulfillment of them? |
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Silver Surfer King Kong
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Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 8:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Zathrus wrote: | Can you explain these peoples' interpretation of the 2300 day prophecy in a bit more detail?
I happened to read a little about the Adventist teaching on this last week. Didn't they begin counting from the time the decree was issued to rebuild the temple (in Nehemiah's time) and then assume each day prophetically meant a solar year, then calculate 2300 years after the decree to rebuild the temple, to arrive at 1844? | Maybe this website I made will help
http://home.earthlink.net/~pt2003/bibleprophecyaboutjesuschrist |
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