a virtuous woman

lone-traveler · Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 10:12 pm Post subject: a virtuous woman

Proverbs 31: 10 -31

Pro 31:10 ¶ Who can find a virtuous woman? for her price [is] far above rubies.
Pro 31:11 The heart of her husband doth safely trust in her, so that he shall have no need of spoil.
Pro 31:12 She will do him good and not evil all the days of her life.
Pro 31:13 She seeketh wool, and flax, and worketh willingly with her hands.
Pro 31:14 She is like the merchants' ships; she bringeth her food from afar.
Pro 31:15 She riseth also while it is yet night, and giveth meat to her household, and a portion to her maidens.
Pro 31:16 She considereth a field, and buyeth it: with the fruit of her hands she planteth a vineyard.
Pro 31:17 She girdeth her loins with strength, and strengtheneth her arms.
Pro 31:18 She perceiveth that her merchandise [is] good: her candle goeth not out by night.
Pro 31:19 She layeth her hands to the spindle, and her hands hold the distaff.
Pro 31:20 She stretcheth out her hand to the poor; yea, she reacheth forth her hands to the needy.
Pro 31:21 She is not afraid of the snow for her household: for all her household [are] clothed with scarlet.
Pro 31:22 She maketh herself coverings of tapestry; her clothing [is] silk and purple.
Pro 31:23 Her husband is known in the gates, when he sitteth among the elders of the land.
Pro 31:24 She maketh fine linen, and selleth [it]; and delivereth girdles unto the merchant.
Pro 31:25 Strength and honour [are] her clothing; and she shall rejoice in time to come.
Pro 31:26 She openeth her mouth with wisdom; and in her tongue [is] the law of kindness.
Pro 31:27 She looketh well to the ways of her household, and eateth not the bread of idleness.
Pro 31:28 Her children arise up, and call her blessed; her husband [also], and he praiseth her.
Pro 31:29 Many daughters have done virtuously, but thou excellest them all.
Pro 31:30 Favour [is] deceitful, and beauty [is] vain: [but] a woman [that] feareth the LORD, she shall be praised.
Pro 31:31 Give her of the fruit of her hands; and let her own works praise her in the gates.
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Joh 15:14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.
Joh 15:12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.

lone-traveler · Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 10:52 pm Post subject:

gee I looked up the hebrew word virtuous..
not what I expected..LOL..

Hebrew for H2428 חיל Transliteration
chayil
Pronunciation
khah'·yil (Key)

Part of Speech
masculine noun

Outline of Biblical Usage
1) strength, might, efficiency, wealth, army
a) strength
b) ability, efficiency
c) wealth
d) force, army

and in the greek:
as in this verse:

Mar 5:30 And Jesus, immediately knowing in himself that virtue had gone out of him, turned him about in the press, and said, Who touched my clothes?

Greek for G1411 δύναμις Transliteration
dynamis
Pronunciation
dü'-nä-mēs (Key)

Part of Speech
feminine noun

Outline of Biblical Usage

1) strength power, ability
a) inherent power, power residing in a thing by virtue of its nature, or which a person or thing exerts and puts forth
b) power for performing miracles
c) moral power and excellence of soul
d) the power and influence which belong to riches and wealth
e) power and resources arising from numbers
f) power consisting in or resting upon armies, forces, hosts

funny how when spoken of about a woman it is a masculine noun, and when spoken of a man it is a feminine noun..

well, least now I know what we're talking about when we say virtue or virtuous.. Rolling Eyes

Pro 31:10 ¶ Who can find a virtuous woman? for her price [is] far above rubies.

just starting here..let's see where it goes..

oh one thing..
before this question is raised..Lemuel is advised by his mother: (it's a prophecy).. Idea

Pro 31:1 ¶ The words of king Lemuel, the prophecy that his mother taught him.
Pro 31:2 What, my son? and what, the son of my womb? and what, the son of my vows?
Pro 31:3 Give not thy strength unto women, nor thy ways to that which destroyeth kings.
Pro 31:4 ¶ [It is] not for kings, O Lemuel, [it is] not for kings to drink wine; nor for princes strong drink:
Pro 31:5 Lest they drink, and forget the law, and pervert the judgment of any of the afflicted.
Pro 31:6 Give strong drink unto him that is ready to perish, and wine unto those that be of heavy hearts.
Pro 31:7 Let him drink, and forget his poverty, and remember his misery no more.
Pro 31:8 ¶ Open thy mouth for the dumb in the cause of all such as are appointed to destruction.
Pro 31:9 Open thy mouth, judge righteously, and plead the cause of the poor and needy.

and then:

Pro 31:10 ¶ Who can find a virtuous woman? for her price [is] far above rubies.

Job 28:18 No mention shall be made of coral, or of pearls: for the price of wisdom [is] above rubies.
Pro 3:15 She [is] more precious than rubies: and all the things thou canst desire are not to be compared unto her.
Pro 8:11 For wisdom [is] better than rubies; and all the things that may be desired are not to be compared to it.
Pro 20:15 There is gold, and a multitude of rubies: but the lips of knowledge [are] a precious jewel.
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Joh 15:14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.
Joh 15:12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.

Luvnlife · Lion King Joined: 22 Feb 2007 Posts: 1200 Location: US

Lone q'd:

lone-traveler · Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2007 1:16 am Post subject:

AH Luv..

By whose estimation?

Eze 18:29 Yet saith the house of Israel, The way of the Lord is not equal. O house of Israel, are not my ways equal? are not your ways unequal?

Lev 27:2-7: 2 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When a man shall make a singular vow, the persons shall be for the LORD by thy estimation. Wink

Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. Very Happy

hugs
lone
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Joh 15:14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.
Joh 15:12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.

lone-traveler · Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2007 2:13 pm Post subject:

Pro 31:11 The heart of her husband doth safely trust in her, so that he shall have no need of spoil.

Psa 104:24 O LORD, how manifold are thy works! in wisdom hast thou made them all: the earth is full of thy riches.

Col 4:5 Walk in wisdom toward them that are without, redeeming the time.

Eph 1:17 That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:

Eph 3:10 To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly [places] might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,

Col 1:9 For this cause we also, since the day we heard [it], do not cease to pray for you, and to desire that ye might be filled with the knowledge of his will in all wisdom and spiritual understanding;

Pro 31:11 The heart of her husband doth safely trust in her, so that he shall have no need of spoil.

Col 2:8 Beware lest any man *spoil* you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

Pro 16:19 Better [it is to be] of an humble spirit with the lowly, than to divide the spoil with the proud.

Pro 24:15 Lay not wait, O wicked [man], against the dwelling of the righteous; spoil not his resting place: Idea

shalal / spoil

Outline of Biblical Usage
1) prey, plunder, spoil, booty
a) prey
b) booty, spoil, plunder (of war)
c) plunder (private)
d) gain (meaning dubious)

Luk 11:21 When a strong man armed keepeth his palace, his goods are in peace:
Luk 11:22 But when a stronger than he shall come upon him, and overcome him, he taketh from him all his armour wherein he trusted, and divideth his spoils.

Eph 6:10 ¶ Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might.
Eph 6:11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
Eph 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high [places].
Eph 6:13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, Question

and having done all, to stand.

The Spoils?

Eph 6:14 Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;
Eph 6:15 And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace;
Eph 6:16 Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.
Eph 6:17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:
Eph 6:18 Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;
Eph 6:19 And for me, that utterance may be given unto me, that I may open my mouth boldly, to make known the mystery of the gospel,
Eph 6:20 For which I am an ambassador in bonds: that therein I may speak boldly, as I ought to speak.

Rom 13:11 ¶ And that, knowing the time, that now [it is] high time to awake out of sleep: for now [is] our salvation nearer than when we believed.
Rom 13:12 The night is far spent, the day is at hand: let us therefore cast off the works of darkness, and let us put on the armour of light.
Rom 13:13 Let us walk honestly, as in the day; not in rioting and drunkenness, not in chambering and wantonness, not in strife and envying.
Rom 13:14 But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to [fulfil] the lusts [thereof].

Pro 31:11 The heart of her husband doth safely [b]trust in her, so that he shall have no need of spoil.

Pro 31:12 She will do him good and not evil all the days of her life.
Very Happy

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Joh 15:14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.
Joh 15:12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.

Luvnlife · Lion King Joined: 22 Feb 2007 Posts: 1200 Location: US

You touched on some of my favorite verses in Galations (Chapter 3):

23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster. 26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

and they tie right in with the verse you quoted from Eze 18:29 Yet saith the house of Israel, The way of the Lord is not equal. O house of Israel, are not my ways equal? are not your ways unequal?

Sadly, much of that inequality still exists today but as the verses in Galations point out, that is not Gods way and that is not the way it will be after the great battle.

The following verse I find interesting as I have always been taught that some will survive the destruction of Armageddon and this verse supports that but many believe that none will survive but the righteous will be raised up:

Eph 6:13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.

And I believe that the day is at hand, though we don't know the day or the hour, I think it's closer than many believe. I think some may have let down their guard a bit as there have been so many religions predicting the great war for so many years. I won't try to venture a guess as to when it is coming but as the next verse points out, I believe it is soon (but remember, we are dealing in Gods time, not mans):

Rom 13:11 ¶ And that, knowing the time, that now [it is] high time to awake out of sleep: for now [is] our salvation nearer than when we believed.

Then there is this verse that you quoted:

Pro 31:11 The heart of her husband doth safely [b]trust in her, so that he shall have no need of spoil.

I think of my husband when I read this. We have been together over 10 years now. He tells me if it weren't for me, he probably would be dead. I don't know about that but I do know that his life has calmed down a little since he met me. But it goes both ways. I was never a partier but we have both given each other good gifts. I am a better person because I know him and have learned much from him and he is a better person because of what I have given and taught him.

I don't think I am as strong as the virtuous woman in the bible though. Still, my husband treasures me more than rubies or any worldly thing. So either way, I'm still pretty lucky this time around.

Love, Luv Very Happy

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Matthew 6:21
For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.
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lone-traveler · Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 10:27 am Post subject:

lone-traveler · Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 10:49 am Post subject:

taking it on another level..

God is Love he is the husband and Father of us all...so..

1Cr 11:8 For love is not of wisdom; but wisdom of love.
1Cr 11:9 Neither was love created for wisdom; but wisdom for love.
1Cr 11:10 For this cause ought wisdomto have power on [her] head because of the angels. Question

1Cr 11:11 Nevertheless neither is love without wisdom, neither wisdom without love, in the Lord.
1Cr 11:12 For as wisdom [is] of love, even so [is] love also by wisdom; but all things of God.

Proverbs chapter 8

Proverbs - Chapter 8

Doth not wisdom cry? and understanding put forth her voice? She standeth in the top of high places, by the way in the places of the paths. She crieth at the gates, at the entry of the city, at the coming in at the doors. Unto you, O men, I call; and my voice [is] to the sons of man. O ye simple, understand wisdom: and, ye fools, be ye of an understanding heart.
Hear; for I will speak of excellent things; and the opening of my lips [shall be] right things. For my mouth shall speak truth; and wickedness [is] an abomination to my lips. All the words of my mouth [are] in righteousness; [there is] nothing froward or perverse in them. They [are] all plain to him that understandeth, and right to them that find knowledge. Receive my instruction, and not silver; and knowledge rather than choice gold. For wisdom [is] better than rubies; and all the things that may be desired are not to be compared to it.
I wisdom dwell with prudence, and find out knowledge of witty inventions. The fear of the LORD [is] to hate evil: pride, and arrogancy, and the evil way, and the froward mouth, do I hate. Counsel [is] mine, and sound wisdom: I [am] understanding; I have strength. By me kings reign, and princes decree justice. By me princes rule, and nobles, [even] all the judges of the earth. I love them that love me; and those that seek me early shall find me. Riches and honour [are] with me; [yea], durable riches and righteousness. My fruit [is] better than gold, yea, than fine gold; and my revenue than choice silver. I lead in the way of righteousness, in the midst of the paths of judgment: That I may cause those that love me to inherit substance; and I will fill their treasures.
The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old. I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was. When [there were] no depths, I was brought forth; when [there were] no fountains abounding with water.
Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth: (before Abraham was I AM).. Idea

While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world. When he prepared the heavens, I [was] there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth: When he established the clouds above: when he strengthened the fountains of the deep: When he gave to the sea his decree, that the waters should not pass his commandment: when he appointed the foundations of the earth: Then I was by him, [as] one brought up [with him]: and I was daily [his] delight, rejoicing always before him; Rejoicing in the habitable part of his earth; and my delights [were] with the sons of men.
Now therefore hearken unto me, O ye children: for blessed [are they that] keep my ways. Hear instruction, and be wise, and refuse it not. Blessed [is] the man that heareth me, watching daily at my gates, waiting at the posts of my doors. For whoso findeth me findeth life, and shall obtain favour of the LORD. But he that sinneth against me wrongeth his own soul: all they that hate me love death.

Mar 3:28 ¶ Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme:
Mar 3:29 But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation:
Mar 3:30 Because they said, He hath an unclean spirit.

ramblin..
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Joh 15:14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.
Joh 15:12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.

Luvnlife · Lion King Joined: 22 Feb 2007 Posts: 1200 Location: US

After reading the chapter on the virtuous woman, I started asking myself how I stack up. Do I have any of the virtues spoken about in that chapter?

When I was young, for some reason, I convinced myself that a man would not treasure me and that I would not make a good wife.

Then I married my soul mate.

I re-read those verses and I realized that I have become a good wife and though I don't see myself in some of the verses, I see myself, a mirror reflection in others.

I know more and more as I read the bible that women of the bible and women in general are much more important and much more a part of Gods plan than I ever believed before.

I also know that I am truly blessed and I hope other women read this and feel this way too.

Love, Luv

P.S. Thanks for sharing this Lone and opening up this discussion.
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lone-traveler · Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2007 7:55 pm Post subject:

Hi Luv,
maybe it's not so much "what" she does as much as "why" she does it.. Wink

Pro 31:13 She seeketh wool, and flax, and worketh willingly with her hands.

Pro 11:27 He that diligently seeketh good procureth favour: but he that seeketh mischief, it shall come unto him.

Lam 3:25 The LORD [is] good unto them that wait for him, to the soul [that] seeketh him.

Mat 7:8 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.

Pro 31:13 She seeketh wool, and flax, and worketh willingly with her hands.

Eze 34:12 As a shepherd seeketh out his flock in the day that he is among his sheep [that are] scattered; so will I seek out my sheep, and will deliver them out of all places where they have been scattered in the cloudy and dark day.

Doth not wisdom cry? and understanding put forth her voice? She standeth in the top of high places, by the way in the places of the paths. She crieth at the gates, at the entry of the city, at the coming in at the doors. Unto you, O men, I call; and my voice [is] to the sons of man. O ye simple, understand wisdom: and, ye fools, be ye of an understanding heart.

this is cool watch this:

Mat 18:12 How think ye? if a man have an hundred sheep, and one of them be gone astray, doth he not leave the ninety and nine, and goeth into the mountains, and seeketh that which is gone astray?

1Cr 13:4 Charity suffereth long, [and] is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,
1Cr 13:5 Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil;
1Cr 13:6 Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth;
1Cr 13:7 Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.

seeketh not her own...

Mat 9:13 But go ye and learn what [that] meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
Mar 2:17 When Jesus heard [it], he saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

Luk 5:32 I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

Pro 31:13 She seeketh wool, and flax, and worketh willingly with her hands.

Exd 25:2 Speak unto the children of Israel, that they bring me an offering: of every man that giveth it willingly with his heart ye shall take my offering.

1Ch 29:9 Then the people rejoiced, for that they offered willingly, because with perfect heart they offered willingly to the LORD: and David the king also rejoiced with great joy.

1Pe 5:2 Feed the flock of God which is among you, taking the oversight [thereof], not by constraint, but willingly; not for filthy lucre, but of a ready mind;

with her hands:

Pro 14:1 Every wise woman buildeth her house: but the foolish plucketh it down with her hands.

1Cr 3:10 According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon.

Pro 31:14 She is like the merchants' ships; she bringeth her food from afar.
Pro 31:15 She riseth also while it is yet night, and giveth meat to her household, and a portion to her maidens.
Pro 31:16 She considereth a field, and buyeth it: with the fruit of her hands she planteth a vineyard.

Mat 13:45 ¶ Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a merchant man, seeking goodly pearls:
Mat 13:46 Who, when he had found one pearl of great price, went and sold all that he had, and bought it.

Revelation 21...12 pearls.. Very Happy

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Joh 15:14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.
Joh 15:12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.

Luvnlife · Lion King Joined: 22 Feb 2007 Posts: 1200 Location: US

Lone:

lone-traveler · Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 10:15 pm Post subject:

I kind of see the same thing happening here:

Isa 29:13 Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near [me] with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men:

So it became a learned observance and not one from the heart..
which falls in with praying vain repetitions...

If it's not from the heart then what good is it?

hugs
lone
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Joh 15:14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.
Joh 15:12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.

Luvnlife · Lion King Joined: 22 Feb 2007 Posts: 1200 Location: US

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lone-traveler · Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 9:15 pm Post subject:

You ever read the signature on FFT's posts?

Sometimes, sad to say..but I believe it's true.
Why do people go to church? Do they feel "obligated"?
Do they feel they have to impress or prove to people that they have faith in God?
I know there are a lot of churches where people get together just so they can socialize. And that's all fine and dandy. But If and when I go ..on very rare occasions, and very rarely the same one twice... I don't go for the socializing but to hear what the message is that's being taught.

I think a lot of people believe if they put in their 4 or 5 hours on one day a week, then their ok to go. Like, they done their time now it's time to go play or eat.
Gee you ever notice how many people after church on sunday go out for lunch or to flea markets or wal-mart even?

Not that that's a bad thing..It's just kind of like..ok I made an appearance, everybody knows I'm a good dooby..so I'm free to go do whatever now.

Honestly, I spend more hours in the bible in one day, then a lot of people spend in a whole year..LOL..
Not because I feel "obligated" or I'm trying to make a good impression, but because I truly love it.

I used to watch those tv ministries..and their good for sending out a "hey, come check this out" message. But they don't get into the nitty gritty and really delve deep into the word.
They pick a story and run with it, putting in their ideas and thoughts..and that's all good too, but there's so much more when diggin deeper than just what's on the surface...

They need like..classrooms which is kind of what this forum is to me. And everyones a teacher and everyones a student at the same time.
Everybody's learning something..
But when I go to church, it's basically the same message over and over..and I got the milk down pretty good. But the meat..the meat you have to really get into it like we do.
Pick pull pry dig hunt search discern prove..
that's the fun of it..in my opinion.

Not just Hi how you doing, that was a good sermon pastor, see you next week.. Confused or disgusted

Sometimes the deeper you dig things don't look right, or you question why this how come that..
My mother-inlaw says "don't question God"..
I tell her..God says to prove him and to prove all things.
And if I ask I will receive..so if I don't ask, I don't get no answers...
Maybe that's what they teach in the churches..not to question..?

I remember one time I went to this church, and after the service I asked the pastor a question..
You know that look..like I don't have time for this..rolling the eyes up in the ceiling thing..
So I figured they wasn't interested in teaching, so I wasn't interested in hangin around.

I don't want to go and sit in a room somewhere with a lot of people just mouthing words that they don't really mean or even know their saying them because they've been programmed that way.
I just rather sit by myself and let the Lord lead me wherever he wants me to go.
Sometimes the places are real dark and scary, and other times like walking in the rainbow..
Like Job says..should we accept good from the Lord and not evil?
If he sends me to places I don't really want to go, I know it's for my own good, because there's something "in me" that's causing the darkness. So he takes me there to help me face it and get rid of it.
The more you dig the deeper you get..LOL..

I go to church I feel like I'm eating puffed rice or marshmallow cream..you know what I mean?
I don't want to just hear things that are easy and sound good. I want to hear..HEY, you got a problem..let's go fix it.
I haven't found one yet..and I'm not really looking. I'm sure if the Lord has plans for me, I'll walk right into them without even knowing about it.
Maybe I'm just too untraditional? Maybe I just have too many questions? Maybe I'm too controversial?
I don't know, All I know is that I want to learn of HIM with and from the heart, and not because I feel I "have to", or that other people might look at me crosseyed.
I don't want to be a part of that "lip service" crowd.
I don't want to show up, just to be seen.

ok ramblin here.. Rolling Eyes

hugs Luv..
lone
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Joh 15:14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.
Joh 15:12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.

Luvnlife · Lion King Joined: 22 Feb 2007 Posts: 1200 Location: US

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