Full Preterism Explained

theseldomscene · Banned Joined: 17 Mar 2005 Posts: 7817

...you little rascal you.... Laughing

Silver Surfer · Posted: Sat Nov 03, 2007 8:00 am Post subject:

[quote="Ben Chalfant"]

lone-traveler · Posted: Sat Nov 03, 2007 8:08 am Post subject:

who's the frogs?

theseldomscene · Banned Joined: 17 Mar 2005 Posts: 7817

i did a study on them a while back...

it's freaky man....

where did they come from?... Wink

that is the key...

Silver Surfer · Posted: Sat Nov 03, 2007 8:39 am Post subject:

lone-traveler · Posted: Sat Nov 03, 2007 8:51 am Post subject:

the biblical history of frogs..

Exd 8:2 And if thou refuse to let [them] go, behold, I will smite all thy borders with frogs:

Exd 8:3 And *the river *shall bring forth frogs abundantly, which shall go up and come into thine house, and into thy bedchamber, and upon thy bed, and into the house of thy servants, and upon thy people, and into thine ovens, and into thy kneadingtroughs:

Exd 8:4 And the frogs shall come up both on thee, and upon thy people, and upon all thy servants.

Exd 8:5 And the LORD spake unto Moses, Say unto Aaron, *Stretch forth thine hand with thy rod* over the streams, *over the rivers*, and over the ponds, and cause frogs to come up upon the land of Egypt.

Exd 8:6 And Aaron stretched out *his hand* over the waters of Egypt; and the frogs came up, and covered the land of Egypt.

Exd 8:7 And the magicians did so with their enchantments, and *brought up frogs* upon the land of Egypt.

Exd 8:8 Then Pharaoh called for Moses and Aaron, and said, Intreat the LORD, that he may take away the frogs from me, and from my people; and I will let the people go, that they may *do sacrifice* unto the LORD.

Exd 8:9 And Moses said unto Pharaoh, Glory over me: **when **shall I intreat for thee, and for thy servants, and for thy people, to destroy the frogs *from thee and thy houses*, [that] they may r*emain in the river only*?

Exd 8:11 And the frogs shall depart from thee, and from thy houses, and from thy servants, and from thy people; they shall remain in the river only.

Exd 8:12 And Moses and Aaron went out from Pharaoh: and Moses cried unto the LORD because of the frogs *which he* had brought against Pharaoh.

Exd 8:13 And the LORD did according to the word of Moses; and the *frogs died* out of the *houses*, out of the *villages*, and out of *the fields*.

Psa 78:45 He sent divers sorts of flies among them, which devoured them; and frogs, which destroyed them.

Psa 105:23 Israel also came into Egypt; and Jacob sojourned in the land of Ham.
Psa 105:24 And *he increased his people* greatly; and made them stronger than their enemies.
Psa 105:25 He turned *their heart to hate his people*, to deal *subtilly* with his servants.
Psa 105:26 He sent Moses his servant; [and] Aaron whom he had chosen.
Psa 105:27 They shewed *his signs* among them, *and wonders* in the land of Ham.
Psa 105:28 He sent darkness, and made it dark; and they rebelled not against his word.
Psa 105:29 *He turned their waters into blood,* and slew their fish.
Psa 105:30 Their land brought forth frogs in abundance, in the chambers of their kings.
Psa 105:31 He spake, and there came divers sorts of flies, [and] lice in all their coasts.
Psa 105:32 He gave them *hail *for rain, [and] *flaming fire* in their land.
Psa 105:33 He smote their vines also and their fig trees; and brake the trees of their coasts.
Psa 105:34 He spake, and the locusts came, and caterpillers, and that **without number**,
Psa 105:35 And did eat up all the herbs in their land, and devoured the fruit of their ground.
Psa 105:36 He smote also all the firstborn in their land, the **chief** of all their strength.
Psa 105:37 He brought them forth also with silver and gold: and [there was] not one feeble [person] among their tribes.
Psa 105:38 Egypt was glad when they departed: for *the fear of them* fell upon them.

Rev 16:13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs [come] out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.

frogs..

Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words
Frog
1 Strong's Number: 944 Greek: batrachos
is mentioned in Rev 16:13. Quacks Confused or disgusted

were represented as "frogs" and were associated metaphorically with serpents.

Easton's Bible Dictionary
Frog( Heb. tsepharde'a, meaning a "marsh-leaper"). This reptile is mentioned in the Old Testament only in connection with one of the plagues which fell on the land of Egypt ( Exd 8:2-14; Psa 78:45; 105:30).

In the New Testament this word occurs only in Rev 16:13, where it is referred to as a symbol of uncleanness. The only species of frog existing in Palestine is the green frog ( Rana esculenta), the well-known edible frog of the Continent.

ANd the frogs came out of his mouth...

Num 19:13 Whosoever *toucheth* the dead body of any man that is dead, and purifieth not himself, *defileth the tabernacle of the LORD*; and *that soul shall be cut off from Israel*: because *the water of separation* was not sprinkled upon him, he shall be unclean; his uncleanness [is] yet upon him.

Mat 15:17 Do not ye yet understand, that whatsoever entereth in at the mouth goeth into the belly, and is *cast out* into the draught?
Mat 15:18 But *those things* which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.
Mat 15:19 For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:
Mat 15:20 These are [the things] which defile a man: but to eat with unwashen hands defileth not a man

So the three frogs came out of the mouth...they come from the heart..evil thoughts and blasphemies..
three frogs..

Because thou art neither hot nor cold I will spew thee out of my mouth..

casting out unclean spirits..

Mat 10:1 And when he had called unto [him] his twelve disciples, he gave them power [against] unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all manner of sickness and all manner of disease.

oh new animal..swine:

Mar 5:13 And forthwith Jesus gave them leave. And the unclean spirits went out, and entered into the swine: and the herd ran violently down a steep place into the sea, (they were about two thousand;) and were choked in the sea.

choked.. Idea

Act 5:16 There came also a multitude [out] of the cities round about unto Jerusalem, bringing sick folks, and them which were vexed with unclean spirits: and they were healed every one.

Egypt was vexed with frogs wouldn't ya say?

Act 8:7 For unclean spirits, crying with loud voice, **came out of many** that were possessed [with them]: and many taken with palsies, and that were lame, were healed.

Rev 16:13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs **[come] out of the mouth** of the dragon, and **out of the mouth** of the beast, and **out of the mouth** of the false prophet.

I find it interesting that the dragon, beast, and false prophet, all have unclean spirits **come out** of them..
Idea

frogs huh? edible even..serpents..and marsh lepers..
interesting stuff..LOL..eewww..

Silver Surfer · Posted: Sat Nov 03, 2007 12:04 pm Post subject:

Ben Chalfant · Posted: Sat Nov 03, 2007 6:00 pm Post subject:

Just one quick question. If tongues are not important, then why does Satan need to counterfeit them? LOL

lone-traveler · Posted: Sat Nov 03, 2007 8:05 pm Post subject:

Hi Silver,

So if they didn't "keep" the evil spirits within themselves, but sent them forth into the world..then are the ones who got rid of the evil spirits still evil?
Seeing they got rid of them?

I'm thinking about legion and how they got sent into the swine and ran headlong into the ocean and drowned..

what happened to the one that they came out of?

hugs
lone

lone-traveler · Posted: Sat Nov 03, 2007 8:07 pm Post subject:

Hi Ben,

there is always two of everything...
that way we can learn to choose the good and avoid the evil..
amen?

hugs
lone

Ben Chalfant · Posted: Sat Nov 03, 2007 8:15 pm Post subject:

Hi lone,
I believe you may have missed my point. If tongues were not important at all, then I do not think Satan would have much interest in them as they do not hold much of a threat to him. Since he has counterfeited them, I would have to say that he must be afraid of them, and so wants people to disbelieve them. Just a thought.

God Bless you!

lone-traveler · Posted: Sat Nov 03, 2007 8:46 pm Post subject:

Hi Ben,

would you show me the kind of tongues your refering to please?

hugs
lone

Ben Chalfant · Posted: Sat Nov 03, 2007 8:54 pm Post subject:

Read the entire second chapter of Acts. That should cover it.

God bless you!

lone-traveler · Posted: Sat Nov 03, 2007 9:32 pm Post subject:

Hi Ben,
there's a forum here for the different books of the bible..below.

I'll go post in the book of Acts.
So if you don't see a response here, then keep an eye on there..and maybe we can find out what all this tongue talk is about.. Wink

God Bless
and Big Hugs
Lone

Ben Chalfant · Posted: Sat Nov 03, 2007 9:39 pm Post subject:

Where you post is up to you lone, but I should point out that the subject of tongues is not limited to the book of acts. I have provided more scriptures for it.

God Bless you!