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atoz
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 Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 10:39 am Post subject: Re: Christians...on Probation |
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| Silver Surfer wrote: | Christians, are criminals....on Probation
Christians are......criminals, on Probation.
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SS,
Do you love yourself as a crim?
in Love,
atoz |
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Silver Surfer
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| Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 4:59 am Post subject: Re: Christians...on Probation |
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| atoz wrote: | | Silver Surfer wrote: | Christians, are criminals....on Probation
Christians are......criminals, on Probation.
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SS,
Do you love yourself as a crim?
in Love,
atoz |
To love myself as a criminal, would be putting myself out of God's will for my life......
Which would spell disaster in the Day of God's Judgment.
Matthew 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. |
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atoz
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| Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 2:34 pm Post subject: Re: Christians...on Probation |
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| Silver Surfer wrote: | | atoz wrote: | | Silver Surfer wrote: | Christians, are criminals....on Probation
Christians are......criminals, on Probation.
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SS,
Do you love yourself as a crim?
in Love,
atoz |
To love myself as a criminal, would be putting myself out of God's will for my life......
Which would spell disaster in the Day of God's Judgment.
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Thanx for your reply, SS.
Ok, you yourself said it.
Hating yourself as a criminal in or out of prison
is
the reason why you hate others as yourself....when others are criminals to you,
and/or when others are crimnals in or out of prison.
Follow?
Hating yourself as the least of these is
why you hate the least of these as yourself,
and
why you hate the least of these as Jesus Christ,
and
why you hate JC as the least of these.
Inasmuch as you DO hate the least of these,
you do hate Me---is what JC is saying in Matthew 25:40-45:
41Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
42For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat:
I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
43I was a stranger, and ye took me not in:
naked, and ye clothed me not:
sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
44Then shall they also answer him,
saying,
Lord,
when saw we thee
an hungred,
or athirst,
or a stranger,
or naked,
or sick,
or in prison,
and did not minister unto thee?
45Then shall he answer them,
saying,
Verily I say unto you,
Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these,
ye did it not to me.
Here are some more of the least of these:
1 Corinthians 15:9
For I am the least of the apostles, that am not meet to be called an apostle,
because I [criminally] persecuted the church of God.
Ephesians 3:8
Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ;
Hebrews 8:11
And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother,
saying,
Know the Lord:
for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
Matthew 5:
45That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven:
for he
maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good,
and
sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.
What do you think you need to do to put yourself in God's will for your attitude in your life?
Repent of hating yourself as any word God loves you as?
Why shouldn't anyone hate you as what words you hate yourself as when they see you as those words and/or when you are those words?
Do you love or hate yourself as any of the words or phrases in verse 3:
Titus 3:
3For we ourselves also were sometimes
foolish,
disobedient,
deceived,
serving divers lusts and pleasures,
living in malice and envy,
hateful,
and hating one another.
Then you will be able to say:
I love myself as just and I love myself as unjust as God loves me,
so that my attitude of mind is always Just with the Justice of Love like the Mind of God and Christ, Phil 2:5,
and so I can love the just and the unjust as myself,
and so teach them to stop their first injustice, the Injustice of Hate for themselves as unjust criminals, which lead to their criminal injustice and their unjust criminality.
Right?
Like this:
Romans 5:
5And hope maketh not ashamed;
because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.
6For when we were yet without strength,
in due time Christ died for the ungodly.
8But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
9Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
10For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
Hope that helps you and anyone else.
In God's Will of the Justice of Love
for myself as the most just citizens,
and
for myself as the least just criminals,
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Silver Surfer
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| Posted: Sat Nov 03, 2007 6:55 am Post subject: Re: Christians...on Probation |
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A logically thinking Christian, should hate any sin they find themselves doing, it that not right ?
The Bible says to have the mind of Christ within yourself.
SO....to hate sin, rersults in NOT doing it, like Jesus was able to.
BUT, the problem lies in the fact that most people in the Christian world, have no conception of what the Bible defines, as sin!
Thus the Bible prophecy is fiulfilled.......
Hosea 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children. |
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atoz
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| Posted: Sat Nov 03, 2007 11:47 am Post subject: Re: Christians...on Probation |
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| Silver Surfer wrote: | A logically thinking Christian, should hate any sin they find themselves doing, it that not right ?
The Bible says to have the mind of Christ within yourself.
SO....to hate sin, rersults in NOT doing it, like Jesus was able to.
BUT, the problem lies in the fact that most people in the Christian world, have no conception of what the Bible defines, as sin!
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SS,
I know how hard this is for you!
Slow your mind down!smile
Be slow to think or speak in your mind! James 1:19.
You are jumping over God's Law for your heart
and going directly to doings or actions!
See?
God first law has to do with the heart or attitude of mind,
which Law of Love then is the basis of making all actions right.
So SS,
as a logical thinking Xtian,
because God loves you as just and as unjust as in MT 5:45 and 1 John 4:19 and John 15:9,25,
what is your first sin?
The first sin is your attitude of HATE for the unjust!
see?
SS, it is the first sin to THINK in your heart and mind the thought that it is OK to think:
I hate myself as unjust
or I hate God as unjust
or I hate the unjust as unjust!
The first right thought or attitude is:
I love myself as just and as unjust as God loves me as just and as unjust!
It is THAT sin of the Injustice of Hatred for myself as unjust that leads me
to hate the unjust as myself,
to hate JC as the least just or most unjust of these,
and
to the SINFUL actions that the unjust commit!
Because the law is Love, Mt. 22:36-40,
Hate in attitude of heart IS the sin that is the transgression of the Law of Love! 1 John 3:4.
It is the sin of Hatred that then breaks all the Ten in spirit before you even try to keep them!
It is that Injustice of Hatred for self and anyone that CAUSES the actions that are unjust!---the same unjust actions that you don't want and want stopped.
Rght?
That is what Mark 7:21-23 and James 1:12-13 is saying!
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I am praying that God opens your mind to this: I know I can't do this for you nor you for yourself.
In the Love that makes us know that sin is any Hatred for who and what God loves,
and which Love makes us know that that sin of Hatred for any one is the sin we are to hate with our Hate,
atoz
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Silver Surfer
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| Posted: Sat Nov 03, 2007 12:37 pm Post subject: Re: Christians...on Probation |
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| atoz wrote: | So SS,
as a logical thinking Xtian,
because God loves you as just and as unjust as in MT 5:45 and 1 John 4:19 and John 15:9,25,
what is your first sin? |
And how am I suppose to remember that, after some 55+ years ?
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The first sin is your attitude of HATE for the unjust! |
What are you talking about ?
How many little kids think about things like that ?
| Quote: | I am praying that God opens your mind to this: I know I can't do this for you nor you for yourself.
In the Love that makes us know that sin is any Hatred for who and what God loves,
and which Love makes us know that that sin of Hatred for any one is the sin we are to hate with our Hate,
atoz |
Let me ask you a question:
When God says in the Bible, that He destroys satan for all time and eternity....does He do so out of hate, or Love ? |
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atoz
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| Posted: Sat Nov 03, 2007 12:50 pm Post subject: Re: Christians...on Probation |
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| Silver Surfer wrote: | | atoz wrote: | So SS,
as a logical thinking Xtian,
because God loves you as just and as unjust as in MT 5:45 and 1 John 4:19 and John 15:9,25,
what is your first sin? |
And how am I suppose to remember that, after some 55+ years ?
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Oh, I am sorry ---just trying to help.
SS,
please remember that I am ALL for you keeping the sabbath! I am NOT trying to get you to stop keeping the sabbath!
All I am trying to do is to get you to keep with God's Whole Love:
Love for those who keep it and Love for those who don't---as God loves. Matthew 5:43-48.
Ok?
With all Love and respect for you as a sabbath keeper,
atoz |
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atoz
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| Posted: Sat Nov 03, 2007 12:52 pm Post subject: Re: Christians...on Probation |
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| Silver Surfer wrote: |
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The first sin is your attitude of HATE for the unjust! |
What are you talking about ?
How many little kids think about things like that ?
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All kids that have NO mailce.
1 Corinthians 14:
20Brethren, be not children in understanding:
howbeit in malice be ye children,
but in understanding be men.
with Love for all,
with no Malice for any,
atoz |
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Silver Surfer
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| Posted: Sat Nov 03, 2007 12:57 pm Post subject: Re: Christians...on Probation |
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| atoz wrote: | | Silver Surfer wrote: | | atoz wrote: | So SS,
as a logical thinking Xtian,
because God loves you as just and as unjust as in MT 5:45 and 1 John 4:19 and John 15:9,25,
what is your first sin? |
And how am I suppose to remember that, after some 55+ years ?
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Oh, I am sorry ---just trying to help.
SS,
please remember that I am ALL for you keeping the sabbath! I am NOT trying to get you to stop keeping the sabbath! |
That good, because I don't want to miss out on eternnal life, because I disobeyed God.
God ONLY promises eternal life, to those who love Him enough, to obey Him.
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All I am trying to do is to get you to keep with God's Whole Love:
Love for those who keep it and Love for those who don't---as God loves. Matthew 5:43-48.
Ok? |
God tells us HOW to Love Him and our neightbor.
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With all Love and respect for you as a sabbath keeper,
atoz |
Just remember, God loves people enough to correct them, from the wrongs that will destroy them in the end, IF they refuse to change. |
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atoz
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| Posted: Sat Nov 03, 2007 12:59 pm Post subject: Re: Christians...on Probation |
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| Silver Surfer wrote: |
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| Quote: | I am praying that God opens your mind to this: I know I can't do this for you nor you for yourself.
In the Love that makes us know that sin is any Hatred for who and what God loves,
and which Love makes us know that that sin of Hatred for any one is the sin we are to hate with our Hate,
atoz |
Let me ask you a question:
When God says in the Bible, that He destroys satan for all time and eternity....does He do so out of hate, or Love ? |
God destroys Satan out of Love for His enemy Satan, whom God loves as His enemy just as God tells us to love our enemy Satan, God always doing what He tells others to do. Mt 7:12. 5:43-48. 1 Peter 5:8-9.
For God to hate satan wd be for God to be guilty of the same sin of which God and we accuse satan: of the sin of hating his ememies: God and us!!
In the Love that is the basis of the Golden Rule,
which Golden Rule is the sum of all other laws,
and on which Love in heart the GR & all other laws of thought, word and deed are based, Mt 22:36-40, 7:12,
atoz |
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Silver Surfer
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| Posted: Sat Nov 03, 2007 1:01 pm Post subject: Re: Christians...on Probation |
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| atoz wrote: | | Silver Surfer wrote: |
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The first sin is your attitude of HATE for the unjust! |
What are you talking about ?
How many little kids think about things like that ?
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All kids that have NO mailce. |
What fairy land school did you grow up in ?
Kids are always saying things that hurt others feelings.
Did you forget that they have a natural sinful nature....until Jesus can change it for them ? |
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Silver Surfer
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| Posted: Sat Nov 03, 2007 1:07 pm Post subject: Re: Christians...on Probation |
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| atoz wrote: |
God destroys Satan out of Love for His enemy Satan, whom God loves as His enemy just as God tells us to love our enemy Satan, God always doing what He tells others to do. Mt 7:12. 5:43-48. 1 Peter 5:8-9.
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So, if God destroys satan out of love....then He must love certain people, more than satan, right ?
After all...every single person has committed the same sins, satan has. |
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atoz
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| Posted: Sat Nov 03, 2007 1:14 pm Post subject: |
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[quote="Silver Surfer"]
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That good, because I don't want to miss out on eternnal life, because I disobeyed God.
God ONLY promises eternal life, to those who love Him enough, to obey Him.
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That is right where your mind is jumping the track, SS, or where youa re puting the horse before the cart:
Obedience is not the basis of God's Love.
God's Law of Love is the basis of obedience!
God put obedience to Love first as the basis of ALL other obedience!
U have to be first willing to LOVE in heart all those God commands u to love: Yourself and all others!
That's the obedient heart, the Godly Heart, the mind of JC, whe wholeheartedness.
THEN, in that Love, all other obedience to any other laws comes IN LOVE---such as speaking the truth in Love!ephes 4:15; keeping the sab in Love! Heb 4:1-12. And etc.
To have obedience to and obey the Ten without first being loving in heart and being in Love is to break all the Ten in spirit: for example, to hate any one is to murder even when u are obeying the 6th commnadment and have not killed anyone: mt 5:21-22. To keep the sab in hate of anyone is to break the rest of Love in which God wants the sab kept!
That is why SS u are having such a bad time in attracting others to sabbath keeping: the Attraction of Love is missing: Jer 31:3: the sab is so cold without Love. So if you put on Love first or put Love IN first, then you'd ave the Love by which to attract others to keeping the sab: without Love, teh sab is the worst form of drudgery: doing nothing and hating it and nobodies!!
In Obedience to the Law of Love in which Rest of Love we rest and in which Rest of Love we work,
atoz |
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atoz
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| Posted: Sat Nov 03, 2007 1:22 pm Post subject: Re: Christians...on Probation |
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[quote="Silver Surfer"]
.... God tells us HOW to Love Him and our neightbor.
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And the first HOW is to love our neighbor: ---God loves by loving from the heart, DT 7:7-8, Lev19:17-18----
so we can then be kind to our neighbor in Love,
speak the truth to him in Love,
in Love kill him not,
in Love lie not to him,
rather than
be kind to him to show him Love by kindness while still hating him as unkind,
not kill him but still hate him as a murderer,
not lie to him but still hate him as a liar,
etc and etc.
| Quote: | | Just remember, God loves people enough to correct them, from the wrongs that will destroy them in the end, IF they refuse to change. |
No, u got it back to front and upside down:
God loves people by loving them:Deut 7:7-8:
He loves them unconditionally as right and wrong,
then in that correct Love corrects them from their first wrong: hating themselves as wrong and as any words: then in that Love shows them to be correct--in Love!
In the Love by which we become correct--in Love, or by which we become doubly correct,
atoz
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atoz
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| Posted: Sat Nov 03, 2007 1:26 pm Post subject: Re: Christians...on Probation |
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| Silver Surfer wrote: | | atoz wrote: |
God destroys Satan out of Love for His enemy Satan, whom God loves as His enemy just as God tells us to love our enemy Satan, God always doing what He tells others to do. Mt 7:12. 5:43-48. 1 Peter 5:8-9.
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So, if God destroys satan out of love....then He must love certain people, more than satan, right ?
After all...every single person has committed the same sins, satan has. |
Unconditional Love means equal 100% Love for all.
God loves the just and the unjust equally--as Himself.
Mt 5:43-48. John 15:9.
in God's unconditional Love for all friends & enemies,
atoz |
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