Was Mohammed a Man of God? Debate

Abdulhakeem · Little Hamster Joined: 18 Oct 2007 Posts: 78

I would like to debate on "Was Mohammed a Man of God? " and I will be using the Qur'an, the Bible, and the science.

So please nominate.

TwoPutt · Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 7:36 am Post subject:

Don't you mean "a man of Allah"?

Abdulhakeem · Little Hamster Joined: 18 Oct 2007 Posts: 78

Dear brother,

God in Arabic is Alah which is Eloh in Hebrew because both Arabic and Hebrew are from Aramiac the mother language of the Samite Languages.

Jesus when on the cross said "Eloh Eloh lama shabktani?"which is translated as "My God My why have you foresaken me?"

Eloh is Allah, which is God in English.

TwoPutt · Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 6:39 pm Post subject:

towshab · Labrador Joined: 23 Oct 2007 Posts: 312

Abdulhakeem · Little Hamster Joined: 18 Oct 2007 Posts: 78

Qur'an 1:1 teaches "God of all mankind" including Israel. Saying God is God of Israel alone makes God racial, which does not fit the majest of God the Perfect. Therefore, it is not acceptable in Islam to call God of Israel or God of Arabs because Qur'an 1:1 teaches "God of all mankind."

composer2005 · Fierce Wolf Joined: 14 Jul 2007 Posts: 561

The unambiguous answer is No, the Islamic leader Muhammed was a fraud!

MAHOMET'S FLIGHT FROM MECCA TO MEDINA

(p. 673) - The first and most arduous conquests of Mahomet were those of his wife, his servant, his pupil, and his friend; since he presented himself as a prophet to those who were most conversant with his infirmities as a man. (Extract taken from Gibbon's - "Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire" D M LOW - A one-volume abridgement)

THE CHARACTER AND PRIVATE LIFE OF MAHOMET

. . . The use of fraud and perfidy, of cruelty and injustice, were often subservient to the propagation of the faith; and Mahomet commanded or approved the assassination of the Jews and idolaters who had escaped from the field of battle. By the repetition of such acts the character of Mahomet must have been gradually stained; and the influence of such pernicious habits would be poorly compensated by the practice of the personal and social virtues which are necessary to maintain the reputation of a prophet among his secretaries and friends. Of his last years ambition was the ruling passion; and a politician will suspect that he secretly smiled (the victorious imposter!) at the enthusiasm of his youth, and the credulity of his proselytes.1 A philosopher will observe that their credulity and his success would tend more strongly to fortify the assurance of his divine mission, that his interest and religion were inseparably connected, and that his conscience would be soothed by the persuasion that he alone was absolved by the Deity from the obligation of positive and moral laws. (Extract from Gibbon's - "Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire" D M LOW - A one-volume abridgement, p. 690) -

Mahomet breaks his own Laws -

Perfumes and women were the two sensual enjoyments which his nature required, and his religion did not forbid; and Mahomet affirmed that the fervour of his devotion was increased by these innocent pleasures. The heat of the climate enflames the blood of the Arabs, and their libidinous complexion has been noticed by the writers of antiquity.

Their incontinence was regulated by the civil and religious laws of the Koran: their incestuous alliances were blamed: the boundless licence of polygamy was reduced to four legitimate wives or concubines; their rights of both bed and of dowry were equitably determined; the freedom of divorce was discouraged; adultery was condemned as a capital offence; and fornication, in either sex, was punished with an hundred stripes. Such were the calm and rational precepts of this legislator; but in his private conduct Mahomet indulged the appetites of a man, and abused the claims of a prophet. A special revelation dispensed him from the laws which he had imposed on his nation; the female sex, without reserve, was abandoned to his desires; and this singular prerogative excited the envy rather than the scandal, the veneration rather than the envy, of the devout Musulmans. (Extract from Gibbon's - "Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire" D M LOW - A one-volume abridgement, p. 691)

INFLUENCE OF MAHOMET

Mahomet was instructed to preach and to fight; and the union of these opposite qualities, while it enhanced his merit, contributed to his success: the operation of force and persuasion, of enthusiasm and fear, continually acted on each other, till every barrier yielded to their irresistible power. His voice invited the Arabs to freedom and victory, to arms and rapine, to the indulgence of their darling passions in this world and the other: the restraints which he imposed were requisite to establish the credit of the prophet, and to exercise the obedience of the people; and the only objection to his success was his rational creed of the unity and perfections of God. (Extract from Gibbon's - "Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire" D M LOW - A one-volume abridgement, p. 693)

Christ was the opposite to the ungodly man Muhammed / Mahomet.

towshab · Labrador Joined: 23 Oct 2007 Posts: 312

Abdelaleem · Big Goldfish Joined: 27 Oct 2007 Posts: 66

Abdelaleem · Big Goldfish Joined: 27 Oct 2007 Posts: 66

composer2005 · Fierce Wolf Joined: 14 Jul 2007 Posts: 561

You present absolutely no evidence to support any of your answers?

You admit Muhammed murdered to defend his religion. That is enough to condemn him and his murderous religion.

You mention other Prophets, however Christianity is based upon 'Christ' and Christ murdered no one!

There lies the distinction between the murderous Islamic religion and the Non-murderous teachings of Christ.

Abdelaleem · Big Goldfish Joined: 27 Oct 2007 Posts: 66

composer2005 · Fierce Wolf Joined: 14 Jul 2007 Posts: 561

Abdelaleem · Big Goldfish Joined: 27 Oct 2007 Posts: 66

In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.
First evidence from Quran
109:[1] Say: O ye that reject Faith!
[2] I worship not that which ye worship,
[3] Nor will ye worship that which I worship.
[4] And I will not worship that which ye have been wont to worship,
[5] Nor will ye worship that which I worship.
[6] To you be your Way, and to me mine.

2:[256] Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects Evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things
15[85] We created not the heavens, the earth, and all between them, but for just ends. And the Hour is surely coming (when this will be manifest). So overlook (any human faults) with gracious forgiveness.
13: [89] But turn away from them, and say "Peace!" but soon shall they know!
What are you tring to prove that Islam is murderous religion and Adelphians are not?
I reviewed the home page of the (thechristadelphians ) your vision to the Christ as a human from a woman only without a father is exactly the same as Islamic vision.
Is your church is one of the Unitarian churches?
This is my interest to search for Unitarian churches. I think you need to read about Islam before you start to criticize it depending on what do you see in media.
I’m sure when you start reading neutrally about Islam and find some agreement about Christ you’ll change your thoughts.
My absolute search is for the Original followers of Christ.

composer2005 · Fierce Wolf Joined: 14 Jul 2007 Posts: 561

So where is the evidence that shows Christ killed or murdered to defend his Religion?

Historical facts prove that Muhammed killed to defend his Religion and you also agreed that he did.

Your own testimony condemns Islam as a murderous Religion.

I want nothing to do with it nor any Religion like it.

You would be well advised to reject any Religion that condones and even promotes violence (even against its own Women) and consider the Christ Adelphians who teach virtually the Original Gospel of Peace and Love and non-violence that Christ himself taught.

If you are interested, I can provide you with a Discussion Forum Link where you can learn more about the 'non-violent and virtual Original Religion that Christ taught?

Cheers!