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james Grizzly Bear

Joined: 18 Sep 2007 Posts: 738
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Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 5:29 pm Post subject: broken commandments ?? |
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Different Commandments seem to be emphasized more than others. This, according to James 2:10-11, does not matter, for to offend one part is to offend it all. (Also we are no longer under the law.)
I am just curious as which commandment you feel is the one the is broken most often.
The 1st 2nd 3rd 4th 5th 6th 7th 8th 9th 10th or To LOVE ONE ANOTHER.
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atoz Emperor of the Solar System
Joined: 28 Jun 2007 Posts: 4189
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Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 6:32 pm Post subject: Re: broken commandments ?? |
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| james wrote: | Different Commandments seem to be emphasized more than others. This, according to James 2:10-11, does not matter, for to offend one part is to offend it all. (Also we are no longer under the law.)
I am just curious as which commandment you feel is the one the is broken most often.
The 1st 2nd 3rd 4th 5th 6th 7th 8th 9th 10th or To LOVE ONE ANOTHER.
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On Love of each other---since Love of each other is the basis of the Ten and all other laws.
Matthew 22:36-40.
with Love and R,
atoz |
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lone-traveler Emperor of the Universe

Joined: 02 Jul 2005 Posts: 6360 Location: USA
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Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 1:42 am Post subject: |
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Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
They know not, neither will they understand; they walk on in darkness: all the foundations of the earth are out of course.
Have ye not known? have ye not heard? hath it not been told you from the beginning? have ye not understood from the foundations of the earth?
Thus saith the LORD of hosts; Let your hands be strong, ye that hear in these days these words by the mouth of the prophets, which [were] in the day [that] the foundation of the house of the LORD of hosts was laid, that the temple might be built.
He is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock: and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock. For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker [is] God.
According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will, To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved. And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner [stone]; Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,
Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.
Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
If the foundations be destroyed, what can the righteous do?
Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.
Know therefore that the LORD thy God, he [is] God, the faithful God, which keepeth covenant and mercy with them that love him and keep his commandments to a thousand generations;
A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.
But that the world may know that I love the Father; and as the Father gave me commandment, even so I do. Arise, let us go hence.
And suddenly there was a great earthquake, so that the foundations of the prison were shaken: and immediately all the doors were opened, and every one's bands were loosed.
And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.
And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.
And now I beseech thee, lady, not as though I wrote a new commandment unto thee, but that which we had from the beginning, that we love one another.
As the whirlwind passeth, so [is] the wicked no [more]: but the righteous [is] an everlasting foundation.
 _________________ Joh 15:14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.
Joh 15:12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you. |
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eleven Lion King

Joined: 28 Sep 2007 Posts: 1396 Location: Pennsylvania
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Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 1:56 am Post subject: Re: broken commandments ?? |
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| james wrote: | Different Commandments seem to be emphasized more than others. This, according to James 2:10-11, does not matter, for to offend one part is to offend it all. (Also we are no longer under the law.)
I am just curious as which commandment you feel is the one the is broken most often.
The 1st 2nd 3rd 4th 5th 6th 7th 8th 9th 10th or To LOVE ONE ANOTHER.
Where should we focus? |
If I were a betting man, I would put my money on # 9
Thou shalt not lie. |
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45degreeN King Kong
Joined: 02 Aug 2005 Posts: 2545 Location: Salem Oregon
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Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 4:14 pm Post subject: |
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eleven your thesis is flawed. There are far more than 10 commandments, secondly to break one is to break them all, and lastly most of us have been forgiven and it just doesn't count against us. Maybe yours haven't been forgiven yet, I dont know. _________________ My boss is a Jewish carpenter.
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VikingMan44 Goldfish
Joined: 24 Oct 2007 Posts: 60 Location: Colorado Springs
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Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 8:25 am Post subject: Re: broken commandments ?? |
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| james wrote: | The 1st 2nd 3rd 4th 5th 6th 7th 8th 9th 10th or To LOVE ONE ANOTHER.
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I'd say on loving each other, because in doing so, not only will you end up keeping the original commandments, your behavior will be even more Godly. The burden of Love serves to actually increase the requirement of the commandments, not do away with them. Instead of adultery, now it's don't lust, instead of murder, now it's don't hate. How 'bout this one for size, instead of don't lie, don't use the truth in a way that is harmful to others (unless you have an obligation to them). You can tell the truth to someone in such a way that your actions intended harm, but you never broke the commandment not to lie.
It's common sense really. The purpose of the commandments was, in my opinion, God giving mankind a framework for how to interact well with their fellow man and with God. Now, what God has done has served to give us an even better framework.
| Galatians 5:16-18 wrote: | | So I say, live by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the sinful nature. For the sinful nature desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the sinful nature. They are in conflict with each other, so that you do not do what you want. But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under law. |
I am no longer under the law if I am walking in the Spirit, in the sense that if I am walking in the Spirit, living under the commandment of love, I'll never go so far as to break one of the commandments. If I focus ONLY on obeying the law, I miss everything Jesus was talking about when he said to love God, and love each other because one can keep the law without loving your neighbor or God. However, I truly believe that if I am living that way, the law will end up being obeyed anyway. And if you actually find yourself breaking one of the commandments, it is really a sign that you are no longer walking in the Spirit, and probably broke the law of love a while ago.
For example. If I find myself in bed with another woman, having broken one of the ten commandments, the fact is I broke the law of love an hour earlier when I was checking that girl out, long before I ever took my pants off.
So while we "might not be under the law", the requirement placed on us is even more involved. Now, you must consider the motivation of your heart in whether or not you are doing what Jesus asked.
I think this is what Jesus was talking about when he told his disciples that their righteousness must exceed that of the Pharasees. In telling them to love each other and love God, Jesus was giving them MORE to be concerned about than what even the Pharasees were.
| Matthew 5:20 wrote: | | For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven. |
EDIT: I'd just like to thank LT for the post she made regarding the elevated law(though I don't remember where it is). That post sent me down this whole rabit trail, and I really think I'm seeing something I've never seen before. It puts a new light on the debate about the law and grace. _________________ Lifter of heavy things
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