My understanding of some Bible issues...

HeKkLeR · Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2003 5:16 pm Post subject:

The Church oppressing women is nothing new. The apostasy of the Church has oppressed everyone that seeks God through the Church.

Jesus, did not, and God did not oppress women. God disciplined Woman, and Jesus let it be known that Woman is included in His grace, mercy and glory along with Man... for Man and Woman are all the children of God, and the sheep of the Lord. The Spirit is not controlled by the flesh, but the flesh by the Spirit.

Do not confuse the actions of the Church with the judgement of the Lord, the LORD Almighty.
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larryjf · Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2003 12:24 pm Post subject:

Not allowing women to be priests is not 'opressing' women. Just because some churches have different roles for women and for men does not mean that they are opressing them. Are men opressed because they cannot be nuns? Are men inferior because they cannot bear children? Just from the notion that men and women have different roles, that doesn't point to any kind of opression.

metothezero · Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2003 1:49 am Post subject:

I tried to be a nun and they wouldn't let me, My sexual discrimination suit didn't go very far though.
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HeKkLeR · Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2003 3:48 am Post subject:

Man makes oppression, not truth. Understanding the truth is the key to true freedom.

With man having a superiority complex... and woman an inferiority complex... a riff of skepticism and disdain will always remain between those that have not understood the truth. But true harmony is found between those that do.
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metothezero · Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2003 11:23 am Post subject:

Are you making reference to you being the one to whom has understood the truth? Smile

Bridget · Rattlesnake Joined: 29 Jun 2003 Posts: 443

I do not believe that men of old held women down just for meanness, I think in the ancient story of Eve and Adam in the garden, when Eve hoodwinked Adam into eating the apple, this is the reason. I believe we have come a long way from that day, but still have a long way to go. This is not something spiritual, not something sacred, it is a man, stronger then a women who wants to be superior. He wants the power over her.

metothezero · Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2003 3:14 pm Post subject:

Women have suffered in general, not because of the message of Genesis, but because they are in fact weaker physically then most men. I do not think saying this is in anyway a chauvenist statement, it's a fact, women aren't as always strong as men, they are just built different then men are. IF you want to say well the reason that women have been oppressed is because of Genesis, what of the cultures that don't believe the Bible nor read from it? I believe when you make references to spiritual oppression and not physical you are referring to the matter of Men not allowing Women to pastor or to lead the church? IS this a correct assumption? Because I know of no other spot where men say that women cannot do what a man can in the field of spirituality besides that of the pastoral leadership position.
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The very idea of freedom presupposes some objective moral law which overarches rulers and ruled alike.
C. S. Lewis

Atheism is a ferocious system, that leaves nothing above us to excite awe, nor around us to awaken tenderness. --R. Hall.