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Flashman
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Location: MO
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| Sky wrote: | | Despite their differences men and women are equal in the eyes of God, it takes one man and one woman to equal one living soul ie one human being. This was the case both before Eve's creation and has been the case ever after Eve's creation. |
Sky, that's a great study topic. I understand that God created man and woman to be together and "become" one with each other. There's some merit to what you say, but unlike the skeptics, I'd love to learn more about how you would present that end.
As an "object lesson", I'm amazed at the long marriage of my brother and his wife - who appear to know what each other are thinking, feeling, dreaming, etc. They are truly one with each other. There are those on this board who will try to derail this line of thinking with their own anti-whatever, but don't let that discourage you. Some of will be very interested and willing to hear you out without trying to make you look bad.
I'm thinking that those of the old testament that remained single, and those of today, would still be considered one "soul". So I'm having a difficult time reconciling that with your statement. If I have a hard time buying it, I'll let you know in a nice way, but I'm anxious to know more about that. If you'd be more comfortable, you can send me a personal. |
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atoz
Emperor of the Solar System
Joined: 28 Jun 2007
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| Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2007 6:51 pm Post subject: Re: Equality? |
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| Sky wrote: | Note:
THIS thread has nothing to do with preaching, teaching, etc.!
In God's eyes are men and women equal?
Well, are they? What are your thoughts on this and, also, what is your scriptural basis and social reasonings for your conclusions? |
A
In the spiritual eyes of God, men and women are only equal in the equal 100% Love God gives to both.
B
But in every other physical way,
men and women are all these in the eyes of God:
inferior to each other,
equal to each other,
and
superior to each other.
Then when we put both A and B together,
we have:
They are inferior to each other but equal in Love.
They are equal to each other and equal in Love.
They are superior to each other but equal in Love.
Examples:
Men are mostly physically stronger than women,
but as stronger, men do NOT ever get more than the 100% Love that God also gives to weaker or less strong women;
and as weaker, women do not ever get less than the same 100% Love God also gives to stronger or less weak men.
Women are mostly more beautiful than men,
but as prettier, women do not get more than the same 100% Love God also gives to ugly or less handsome men;
and as ugly or less pretty, men do not ever get less than the same 100% Love God also gives to prettier women.
Where men and women are equal,
they both get the same 100% equal love.
And so on and so on for all opposites.
And so it is only in LOVE that men and women are all equal.
In the same way, the opposites in Galatians are also equalised in and by God's 100% Love!
Galatians 3:28
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female:
for ye are all one in [LOVE AND SO IN] Christ Jesus.
And so too in the US Constitution:
All men were created [FOR] equal [LOVE!].
"Our aim is to recognize what Lincoln pointed out:
The fact that there are some respects in which men are obviously not equal;
but also to insist that there should be an equality of self-respect and of mutual respect,
an equality of rights before the law, and at least an approximate equality in the conditions under which each man obtains the chance to show the stuff that is in him when compared to his fellows."
Seventh State of the Union Address
by Theodore Roosevelt
in 100% Love for all opposites or enemies,
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Manja
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| Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 5:58 pm Post subject: |
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...all I know is God love men and women equally. This is all that matters...
Manjaly Yours,
manja |
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atoz
Emperor of the Solar System
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| Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 9:11 pm Post subject: |
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| Manja wrote: | ...all I know is God love men and women equally. This is all that matters...
Manjaly Yours,
manja |
I love both the sentiment and the 'Manjaly Yours'!!!
'tozally yours in Love, smile
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lone-traveler
Emperor of the Universe
Joined: 02 Jul 2005
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Location: USA
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| Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 4:10 pm Post subject: |
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P123 wrote:
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The social role of women has traditionally reflected the fact that they are physically weaker and slower. For example, back in the caveman days, the men went out and hunted the wooly mammoths, and the women stayed back at the camp and did domestic things like cooking, making clothes, and taking care of the kids. |
sometimes hunting a wooly mammoth can be easier than staying home with the kids...LOL
Hey P..where are you?
hugs
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Nobby
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| Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 7:04 pm Post subject: |
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lone, I just sent him an e-mail, I'll see if it finds him.
if I hear from I'll let you know. |
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lone-traveler
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| Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 8:17 pm Post subject: |
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thank you Nobby,..  |
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VikingMan44
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Joined: 24 Oct 2007
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Location: Colorado Springs
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| Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 10:28 am Post subject: |
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| Manja wrote: | ...all I know is God love men and women equally. This is all that matters...
Manjaly Yours,
manja |
I would certainly agree that God loves men and women equally, you'd be hard pressed to find someone who disagrees with you. But, I would say that that is not all that matters.
Most Christian women will agree with me when I say, that there should be, and I think scripturally are, well defined roles for each gender to play, especially as it pertains to marriage and the home.
Those different roles DO NOT indicate a difference in value, though our society would disagree. That a Godly woman does not get paid to stay at home, raise the children, and run the house does not mean she is worth less. She might not earn MONEY, but how does capacity to earn money define worth? ESPECIALLY in God's economy. Godly worth has next to zero to do with fiscal worth. Our society looks at the church's propensity towards suggesting women stay at home with the kids as chaining those women to the kitchen sink, where we should tell them all to go out, get MBA's, and earn 6 figures a year. Well, what happens to the children in that scenario? Day care? *vomits*
Has anyone ever read Rick Joyner's "Final Quest"(very good book by the way)? Whether you agree scripturally or theologically with what he presents, he makes some VERY interesting statements. In the Bible, the mother of two of the disciples goes to Jesus and pleads for her two sons to be given seats next to God. And Jesus replies that those seats are given to those who God says can have them (rough paraphrase). I believe there is a ranking in heaven, according to how well we fulfill the call of God on our lives. And in Joyner's book, where he has a judgement expereince in the throne room of God, the bulk of the seats closest to God were occupied by missionaries who labored in obscurity, and praying mothers.
Now, whether you like the book or not, I LOVE that assertion. It makes total sense to me.
It's not glamorous, changing poopy diapers, feeding constantly hungry children, whiping away tears, cooking, cleaning... but according to Joyner, and I think most Christians would agree, the eternal Spiritual dividends are worth EVERY bit as much as the man who through more glamorous spiritual pursuits preaches and millions get saved.
So, in thinking about this issue, I think you must take a spiritual perspective on it. If you look at it from a worldly, materialistic perspective, women are being given the short end of the stick. From the spiritual perspective? They are being asked to serve the children of the King of Kings. A worthy, honorable and essential calling. |
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atoz
Emperor of the Solar System
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| Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 4:10 pm Post subject: |
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| VikingMan44 wrote: | | Manja wrote: | ...all I know is God love men and women equally. This is all that matters...
Manjaly Yours,
manja |
I would certainly agree that God loves men and women equally, you'd be hard pressed to find someone who disagrees with you. But, I would say that that is not all that matters.
Most Christian women will agree with me when I say, that there should be, and I think scripturally are, well defined roles for each gender to play, especially as it pertains to marriage and the home.
Those different roles DO NOT indicate a difference in value, ....
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Hi Vike,
Well said.
Questions:
Should any husband ever play the role of submitting & in submission to his wife?
Do you believe that before husbands can give orders,
husbands should take orders?
Those questions are based on:
Ephesians 5:
21Submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God.
22Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.
23For the husband is the head of the wife,
even as
Christ is the head of the church:
and he is the saviour of the body.
24Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ,
so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.
Submitted in Love & Respect,smile
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VikingMan44
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| Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 11:03 am Post subject: |
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Well, in my opinion, the first and foremost roles of each gender in marriage are best described by the Ephesians 5 passage. Husbands, love your wives, and wives, respect your husbands.
HOWEVER. What I think some men have taken that to mean, is that they have the right to demand respect from their wives. That is a dangerous proposition. Firstly, and most obviously, because, is such a thing loving in any way? My view is that each spouse is 100% responsible for their actions, and making demands of the other is completely not healthy.
A husband's first and foremost responsibility is to be loving to his wife, in all he says and does. His second responsibility is to be respectable, so that his wife's responsibility is easy for her. If I am both loving and respectable, I guarantee you that most wives will not have a problem respecting her husband. Some will, but most will not. Conversely, when the wife is being respectful, it is easy for the husband to love her. However, the actions of your opposite should NEVER dictate your actions. My responsibility to my wife is covenant based, and I am not released of my responsibility if my wife abdicates hers.
The mistake men make when the become demanding of their wives for their emotional needs, including respect, is that they cannot see that their wives generally don't have the capacity to give them what they seek. What they are usually pining after is something only God and/or other men can fill. When a man is demanding that his wife respect him, I think what is really going on is that subconsciously, he does not respect himself, and he is looking to his wife to "fix it". Can she respect him? Of course she can, and she should. BUT, it's not going to fill his need for self respect. And so he will levy more and more emotional demands against his wife, thinking all the while that it is her job, when what he is doing is sucking the life out of her.
As to a husband submitting to his wife. The Bible certainly says that we have a responsibility to submit to each other. Taken in the context of his responsibility to love his wife, he will listen to what she says if he loves her. But I think he also realizes that in the Godly order of government in the home, God looks to him and will ultimately hold him responsible for the course of the family. He absolutely must listen to his wife, but he also must do what he sees as right because it is his job. |
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theseldomscene
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| Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 10:44 pm Post subject: |
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there are so many mixed messages out there when it comes to this subject of respect and love in the marriage...somany set a double standard about the love your wife, and respect your husband thing...
i heard a lady minister say once...while preaching...GOD does not expect a wife to respect a husband, if the husband doesn't live to a 'GODly' standard....
i have yet to see that in scripture....
i have heard the story of hosea used to override the teachings of JESUS on acceptable divorce...
i have heard john mccarthy teach several times...on different subjects...
one message he says...on radio...that we belong to CHRIST, we are under HIS protection and blessings, but when we get out of HIS will, then we are the ones who walked away from HIS protection, HE is prone to cut off some of those blessings, cutting our finances even, to bring us to repentence and make us obedient for our own good because HE loves us....
then like two weeks later j.m. is on the radio talking about husbands and wifes and says...
it is unCHRISTlike for husbands to cut off some of the
blessing he gives his wife such as money, just because she doesn't respect him and do as he would ask of her, for he is to love her as CHRIST loves the church.... |
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