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atoz
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 Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 4:50 pm Post subject: Does Caesar and God = Mammon and God? |
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Matthew 22:
16And they sent out unto him their disciples with the Herodians, saying,
Master,
we know that thou art true,
and teachest the way of God in truth,
neither carest thou for any man:
for thou regardest not the person of men.
17 Tell us therefore,
What thinkest thou?
Is it lawful to give tribute unto Caesar, or not?
18 But Jesus perceived their wickedness, and said,
Why tempt ye me, ye hypocrites?
19 Shew me the tribute money.
And they brought unto him a penny.
20 And he saith unto them,
Whose is this image and superscription?
21 They say unto him,
Caesar's.
Then saith he unto them,
Render therefore
unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's;
and
unto God the things that are God's.
Matthew 6:
24 No man can serve two masters:
for either he will hate the one, and love the other;
or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other.
Ye cannot serve God and mammon.
We're render unto caesar and not render unto mammon?
Are we supposed
to render unto mammon and God
as we are
to render unto Caesar and God?
Reference:
Luke 16:
8And the lord commended the unjust steward, because he had done wisely:
for the children of this world are in their generation wiser than the children of light.
9And I say unto you,
Make to yourselves friends of the mammon of unrighteousness;
that, when ye fail, they may receive you into everlasting habitations.
10
He that is faithful in that which is least is faithful also in much:
and
he that is unjust in the least is unjust also in much.
with Love & Respect,
atoz |
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eleven
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Joined: 28 Sep 2007
Posts: 1332
Location: Pennsylvania
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| Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 9:28 am Post subject: |
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atoz wrote:
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We're render unto caesar and not render unto mammon?
Are we supposed
to render unto mammon and God
as we are
to render unto Caesar and God?
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Render unto whoever you hold valuable. But understand what you are giving. What value does it hold to you? Give what is true ONLY to the one you love. |
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atoz
Emperor of the Solar System
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| Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 11:50 am Post subject: |
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| eleven wrote: | atoz wrote:
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We're to render unto caesar and not render unto mammon?
Are we supposed
to render unto mammon and God
as we are
to render unto Caesar and God?
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Render unto whoever you hold valuable. But understand what you are giving. What value does it hold to you? Give what is true ONLY to the one you love. |
Hi Eleven!
How are you?
Missed you!
Love for all makes all valauble, the gew and jentile, the worthy and worthless, etc and etc.
And Love is the only gift worth giving.
And Love is the most va"uable gift, the pearl of great price, its value is far above rubies, it is the Gold Medal of Gifts.
So since we love all, all get for free unconditionally The Gift of Gifts: Love.smile
With the Treasure of Love that is the Coin of all realms,
Atoz
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eleven
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| Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 4:15 am Post subject: |
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atoz wrote:
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Hi Eleven!
How are you?
Missed you!
Love for all makes all valauble, the gew and jentile, the worthy and worthless, etc and etc.
And Love is the only gift worth giving.
And Love is the most va"uable gift, the pearl of great price, its value is far above rubies, it is the Gold Medal of Gifts.
So since we love all, all get for free unconditionally The Gift of Gifts: Love.smile
With the Treasure of Love that is the Coin of all realms,
Atoz
Your brother of another mother |
Hello Atoz,
I am fine. Thanks for asking.
Hope you are as well. 
You stated love is the only gift worth giving.
I would agree with that, however I was trying to make another point.
To whom is one giving love?
Whom does one hold valuable, or are all things equal in value?
Would Caesar been as pleased with love as he would have been with money?
Do you see where I'm going with this? |
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atoz
Emperor of the Solar System
Joined: 28 Jun 2007
Posts: 4189
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| Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 9:06 am Post subject: |
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atoz wrote:
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Hi Eleven!
How are you?
Missed you!
Love for all makes all valauble, the gew and jentile, the worthy and worthless, etc and etc.
And Love is the only gift worth giving.
And Love is the most va"uable gift, the pearl of great price, its value is far above rubies, it is the Gold Medal of Gifts.
So since we love all, all get for free unconditionally The Gift of Gifts: Love.smile
With the Treasure of Love that is the Coin of all realms,
Atoz
Your brother of another mother |
| eleven wrote: | e:Hello Atoz,
I am fine. Thanks for asking.
Hope you are as well.
E:You stated love is the only gift worth giving.
I would agree with that, however I was trying to make another point.
To whom is one giving love? |
A: GIVING LOVE TO ONESELF AS ALL WORDS AND SO TO ONESELF AS ALL 8 BILLION WORLDWIDE NO MATTER WHAT WORDS OR NAMES THEY ARE SO THAT ONE CAN LOVE ALL 8 BILLION WOLDWIDE AS ONESELF.
| Quote: | | E:Whom does one hold valuable, or are all things equal in value? |
A: EACH AND ALL PERSONS AND THINGS ARE AT THE SAME TIME LESS THAN EQUAL,
EQUAL
AND MORE THAN EQUAL,
AND
LESS VALUABLE,
EQUALLY VALUABLE
AND LESS VALUABLE.
| Quote: | | E:Would Caesar been as pleased with love as he would have been with money? |
A: CAESAR, AS SOLOMON, WD AND CD BE MORE PLEASED BY LOVE THAN MONEY ONLY IF HE UNCONDITIONALLY LOVED HIMSELF AS BOTH POOR AND RICH.
CAESAR, LIKE ANY WHO HATE SELVES AS POOR AND CONDITIONALLY LOVE SELF AS RICH BASED ON THE CONDITION OF RICHES, MUST AND CAN ONLY BE MORE PLEASED BY MONEY THAN LOVE SINCE MONEY IS THE BASIS OR CONDITION FOR HIS LOVE OF HIMSELF AND THEREFORE CAESAR CD NOT GET RICH ENOUGH IN ORDER TO HAVE THE SINE-QUA-NON OF RICHES BY WHICH CONDITION TO GET THE LOVE HE NEEDED FOR HIMSELF, WHICH NEEDED SELF-LOVE GOD HAD AND HAS ORIGINALLY DESIGNED FOR HIM TO GET FOR FREE AND UNCONDITIONALLY.
| Quote: | | E: Do you see where I'm going with this? |
A: YES: TO GET THAT UNCONDITIONAL LOVE THAT ALLOWS U TO SEE THAT
YOU HAVE TO LOVE WHERE YOU BE TO BE IN LOVE WHERE YOU ARE IN ORDER TO
GET WHERE YOU ARE GOING IN LOVE
AND
WHERE YOU ARE GOING TO BE IN LOVE!SMILE
with L&R,
atoz |
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Maverick1337
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| Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 3:11 am Post subject: |
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Atoz you always seem to ask questions about what I'm reading currently 
Anywho, In my opinion, I agree
mammon is a false god which represents money and greed. Those whom are greedy cannot serve God. You either serve God or you serve your money. I assume, Caesar would be the false god in that time that represented money and greed. (To say the least) |
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atoz
Emperor of the Solar System
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| Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 3:52 am Post subject: |
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| Maverick1337 wrote: | Atoz you always seem to ask questions about what I'm reading currently
Anywho, In my opinion, I agree
mammon is a false god which represents money and greed. Those whom are greedy cannot serve God. You either serve God or you serve your money. I assume, Caesar would be the false god in that time that represented money and greed. (To say the least) |
Hi M1337!
Thanx for the encouragement!
I hope this answers what you may still be wanting to understand.
Here is what I mean and meant:
God loves both God and caesar: Mt 5:45, 43-48.
This means that God serves 100% Love to both God and Caesar
just as God serves love to both the just & unjust.
See?
See Romans 13:8.
Therefore, the first sin is to hate Caesar or God in your heart.
Then:
God loves both God and money/mammon: Mt 5:45.
So God serves 100% Love to both God and Mammon.
Therefore, the sin is to hate either God or Money in your heart.
See?
It is a sin to believe that it is ok to hate money since God made money!
It is a sin to hate money or poverty or God.
See Luke 16:8-10.
So it is Hatred of myself as poor that makes me over-desire or lust for money.
Or, as God means in 1 Tim 6:10:
It is the Love of money out of the sin of Hatred for being poor or for having no money that leads to the evil of lust or greed for money.
That's like a formula: it works for all words and their opposites:
It's the Love of kids out of Hate for being childless that leads to women lusting for and being greedy for and so stealing babies. Sarah's problem.
See?
That formula works with any 2 opposite words.
2 more:
It's Love of being pretty out of Hate for being ugly that makes ladies lust for and put on and spend so much money on cosmetics and make-up.
It's Love of good excitement out of Hate for being bad and bored that makes people lust for good stuff to look at on tv.
So God means in Mt 6:24:
No man who believes in hating any word can serve God who loves all words and their opposites as in Mt 5:44-48!
See?
That is why JC goes on to say in Mt 6:24:
That person will always either be loving one thing and hatings its opposite, OR be hating the one thing and loving the other---just as JC had just said in matthew 5:43-48!!!!!!
See?
So what do you think?
I hope that you still agree.
But if not, please ask questions.
with all Love & Respect,
atoz |
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Maverick1337
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| Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 5:11 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, I still agree. Just like anything else God creates can be turned into something evil. Sex for example. He created money as well, but LUSTING after that money would be my idea of mammon. Is it OK to hate one of God's creations/ideas? No. Is it OK to hate misuse of one of God's creations/ideas? In my opinion, yes. Hate the misuser? Love him as you would your brother.Don't hate him. Hate his sin. This is just off the top of my mind and works for me in trying to apply "Love your enemies" to every day life.  |
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atoz
Emperor of the Solar System
Joined: 28 Jun 2007
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| Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 7:11 pm Post subject: |
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| Maverick1337 wrote: | Yes, I still agree.
Just like anything else God creates can be turned into something evil.
Sex for example.
He created money as well,
but LUSTING after that money would be my idea of mammon.
Is it OK to hate one of God's creations/ideas?
No.
Is it OK to hate misuse of one of God's creations/ideas? In my opinion, yes.
Hate the misuser?
Love him as you would your brother.
Don't hate him.
Hate his sin.
This is just off the top of my mind and works for me in trying to apply "Love your enemies" to every day life. |
Wow, M1337, that is perfect!
Your head must be your heart! since off the top of your head produces what comes off the top of your heart!smile
What you wrote there is perfect in every way!
Please hold it and keep it!
All Love and R,
atoz |
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