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| A) Yes, the ACL-Sue was founded to protect individual freedoms just like this one. |
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Trinity1
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 Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 7:20 am Post subject: Free exercise thereof... |
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It appears that policy has made its way into the prohibition of one's 'free exercise'... HERE.
Where is the ACL-Sue on this one? I thought they were the champions of individual liberty, defenders of the Bill of Rights, the one's to stand up to 'the man' when one's personal freedoms are infringed? Or, this only applies when those fundy’s are out there talking about peace, love, and those other hateful tenets of Christianity?
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45degreeN
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| Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 7:43 am Post subject: |
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Well if your complete bias on this one wasn't so overwhelming I might actually bother to respond. You obviously dont have any respect for the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) so what can anyone gain by forcing you to look at some things that you dont want to see.
I doubt you would recognize anything good from them even if it came up and bit you on the a##.
Good luck in your chosen state of blindness.
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Trinity1
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| Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 11:22 am Post subject: |
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| 45degreeN wrote: | | Well if your complete bias on this one wasn't so overwhelming I might actually bother to respond. You obviously dont have any respect for the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) |
We can agree 100% on that one. I don’t.
| Quote: | I doubt you would recognize anything good from them even if it came up and bit you on the a##.
Good luck in your chosen state of blindness. |
The ACL-Sue is prolly the most destructive organization in America today. Their bias towards anything decent, anti-God, dumbing down of our country agenda is so pathetically blatant any idiot should be able to recognize it.
Founded by a commy, bent on destroying capitalism, they exist for the primary purpose to pervert the rights of our citizens under the guise of protecting them. That is exactly what the communist did when they came to power in Russia. Claiming to be concerned for the people, they ended up brutalizing and killing more of their countrymen, then any other country in recorded human history.
If they were indeed concerned for the rights of the individual in this country, they would be rushing to this lady's defense. Preventing a woman from reading a Bible aloud to her own children, then removing her from a public bus for doing so, is beyond obvious. My question is where are they when the obvious is staring them in the face? Why aren't you commenting on the topic at hand 45? Where are they?
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45degreeN
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If freedom is good enough for us then it is good enough for all of us even the wackos and criminals. I think I understand why you react the way you do based upon their history. They have defended many people with less than honorable images, yet their work does in fact leave our own freedoms open and available for our use when we want it.
The law is supposed to be blind, not examining the person but the action of the accused. If that breaks down we are left without a legal system that honors the innocent until proven guilty. Which is the linchpin that upholds our whole legal system and makes us different than all the others.
When we value "order" over freedom we limit our own freedom, and while we may claim we know we'll never need such freedom we really dont know for sure. If we limit that freedom we wont ever get it back.
So while I dont support any of the defendants the ACLU defends, I recognize what they do as valuable even if it is unpopular.
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RevJP
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| Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2008 10:43 am Post subject: |
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I'm left wondering the same thing Trin is asking - where is the ACLU in this case?
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45degreeN
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The ACLU doesn't go out and take cases; they only show up when someone with a case comes to them and convinces them that it is worth pursuing. In the above case the woman would have to seek them out first and secondarily convince them that it was a good case to pursue (shouldn't be hard to prove but you do need to ask them) That some principle of law had been violated.
I know it is hard to believe but they really are not biased when it comes to their clients, they will accept Christians as clients. But the real test is whether or not some principle of law can be established/re-enforced.
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Negative Overload
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I'm going to do an experiment, since I actually live near Fort Worth.
I'm going to get on a bus and start reading the Koran, or the Torah, or some other holy book, to my little girl.
If I am not asked to stop, Trinity has a point.
If I am, and it turns out it was my reading things out loud on public transportation, and not the content of my book, that is the issue, then he's obviously grasping at straws to attack an institution he has issues with.
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pastor2022
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| Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 2:25 pm Post subject: |
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This ought to be interesting! 
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RevJP
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Interesting, but pointless. Unless of course you get on a bus with the same bus driver. This whole issue is about one person who made a decision, for whatever reason, and then being 'protected' by those who should have made a determination of some wrong doing.
BTW 45, you are incorrect. The ACLU absolutely solicits cases. Not so much in that the governing board of the ACLU goes out to solicit cases, but the network of activists the ACLU governs, mentors, and supports solicits cases and refers the potential clients to the union.
It is kinda like Amway. It is not the governing corporation of Amway that lures in new members, but the membership itself.
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45degreeN
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I guess my ignorance of the rules of the ACLU is showing. Still it is best to respect them and calling them names will do nothing to benefit anyone.
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Plotinus
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| Negative Overload wrote: | I'm going to do an experiment, since I actually live near Fort Worth.
I'm going to get on a bus and start reading the Koran, or the Torah, or some other holy book, to my little girl.
If I am not asked to stop, Trinity has a point.
If I am, and it turns out it was my reading things out loud on public transportation, and not the content of my book, that is the issue, then he's obviously grasping at straws to attack an institution he has issues with. |
Interesting indeed. I would suggest choosing three books: the bible, the koran and the collected works of emerson. Conduct trials in three cities. Nine trips. 
BTW, Happy New Year to all.
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Trinity1
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| 45degreeN wrote: | | I guess my ignorance of the rules of the ACLU is showing. Still it is best to respect them and calling them names will do nothing to benefit anyone. |
45N... calling the ACL-Sue names does nothing to even begin to demonstrate my contempt for this organization. They are, despite your objections, demonstrably an anti-God anti-liberty organization.
They have not, and never will, support anyone or any cause that furthers the cause of Christ. Everything, and I do mean EVERYTHING, that they have done in the past has been done to denigrate any public proclamation for God, Christ, or Christianity. They have consistently lined up to relegate Christ and any public expression of faith in Him as some type of alignment or violation of the establishment clause. This is essentially the dumbing down of our constitution. It is insisting that the common citizen of this country is incapable of recognizing the difference of the establishment of an official religion or the confidence and recognition of one. I resent this organization for this... and I will not by any stretch try to disguise my contempt for their anti-God... anti-Christian positions. I could give two snots less about their rhetoric of insisting they are only looking out for our civil liberties. They are lying about that... and anyone who buys into that is ignorant of this organization’s true intents and purposes.
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Negative Overload
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I don't know that I can find the exact same bus driver, although that of course would be optimal. I can try and find out who it was though.
Still, it's not pointless. If a different bus driver reacts the same way, then it's probably a policy and therefore not horrible Christian-bashing (and I can always try it with a Bible too.) If they don't react, then ah, there may be a point to be had.
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Trinity1
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| Negative Overload wrote: | I don't know that I can find the exact same bus driver, although that of course would be optimal. I can try and find out who it was though.
Still, it's not pointless. If a different bus driver reacts the same way, then it's probably a policy and therefore not horrible Christian-bashing (and I can always try it with a Bible too.) If they don't react, then ah, there may be a point to be had.
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Any luck?
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FFT
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Missing D) The woman was causing a disruption, why would the ACLU bother to get involved?
| The article wrote: | "Anyone who is loud will be asked to be quiet," said representative Joan Hunter. "That is a standard policy across country in the transit industry."
It doesn't matter what is said, the T has a policy of no loud or abusive behavior.
"It's only if the other passengers will complain, or it's obviously so loud it's distracting the operator, that we will ask them to stop," Hunter explained. |
So this is nothing but yet another red herring.
And for the record, I always find it hilarious when people freak out about the ACLU, because it's one of the easiest ways to learn someone isn't worth listening to. Here's a list of historical ACLU cases. Ignore, for the moment, the pro-evolution and anti-creation in schools parts and look at the rest and tell me that the ACLU is "prolly the most destructive organization in America today."
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