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Gerhard Ebersöhn
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 12:59 am    Post subject: Christian Fellowship Reply with quote

Thank you, Nobby, for the invitation!

I am in the unenviable position where I, because of my believing Sabbath-keeping, am not welcome in my Reformed, Sunday-keeping fellowship; and, because of my reasons for believing Sabbath-keeping, am not welcome in existing Sabbath-keeping fellowships.

Therefore I have composed the following, as an invitation to Christian Fellowship with whomever other Christians within practical range, and pray God that it may result in actual, spiritual, Sabbath-keeping Christain Fellowship :-


Sabbaths’ Feast of Christ Assemblies

To joy in the Fellowship of Christians persuaded by God of the sanctity of the Seventh Day Sabbath for to be the Lord Jesus’ Day of Worship-Rest.

The urgency of Sabbaths’ celebration for the Christian Faith and Church, springs from the knowledge of the energy of God’s operation in the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead. Ephesians 1:17-23.

The Sabbath, its engagement and enjoyment, are grounded in Divine Election and Predestination and realised in the “Gospel of God concerning His Son Jesus Christ our Lord”, whom God the Father “Declared the Son of God with Power according to the Spirit of Holiness by resurrection from the dead:— by Whom we have received Grace for the obedience of the Faith for His Name among all nations, among whom are ye also the called of Jesus Christ, to the end ye may be established and comforted by the mutual faith in the Gospel of His Son.” Romans 1:1...12.

“Where two or three are gathered together
in My Name, there I am in the midst of them.”
We are not a ‘Church’ – new, or, another!
We do not take money or favours!
We don’t have nor desire an ‘earthly tabernacle’ to worship!
We do not want ‘growth’ in numbers!
We do not ‘count the nation’ or record attendance!
We do not baptise!
We do not convert!
We are few, and will stay few.
We believe because God had given us faith first.
We love because God first loved us.
We love the Fellowship of Christ, and in Christ.
We love the Name of God the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.
We love the fear of God and His Word Proclaimed.
We love the pure Gospel of God’s free Grace.
We love the knowledge and increase in the knowledge of Christ.
We are not ashamed of, nor let ourselves be judged with regard to, the Gospel of Jesus Christ. (Ro1:16, Col2:16)
Therefore we remember, enjoy and celebrate “The Lord’s Day” Sabbath, in the name of Christ, because of Christ, and for the sake of Christ, being the Body of Christ’s Own.
We occasionally remember, enjoy, celebrate and so receive Sabbaths’ Eating and Drinking of the Lord’s Supper.
We proclaim Jesus Christ Risen from the dead.
“For this cause we do not cease to pray that ye might be filled with the knowledge of His will in all wisdom and spiritual understanding.” (Col1:9)
‘Singing in our heart to the Lord’, we ‘sing with the spirit and with understanding’, ‘speaking to ourselves in Psalms’. (Col3:16, 1Cor14:15, Eph5:9,19)
We abhor self-righteousness or ‘legalism’.
We abhor self-satisfaction or complacency.
We abhor boasting or distinction of men.
In case you would like to join in Sabbath’s Celebration through the study and proclamation of the Word ‘according to the Scriptures’,
the contact person in your area is, Gerhard Ebersöhn, Cell phone: 072-550-0539
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 22, 2008 8:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just answer me this question, will ya please? Cause I have asked this of other Saturday Sabbath observers and have yet to receive an answer.

What about those who have to work on the Saturday Sabbath? Are we condemned to hell because we worship on Sunday rather than Saturday?

Very interested in your reply.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 24, 2008 12:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

eleven wrote:
Just answer me this question, will ya please? Cause I have asked this of other Saturday Sabbath observers and have yet to receive an answer.

What about those who have to work on the Saturday Sabbath? Are we condemned to hell because we worship on Sunday rather than Saturday?

Very interested in your reply.


GE:
What are you really interested in? I have my doubts. Nevertheless ....

Here is my 'official' confession or statement of faith on the Sabbath,
I believe ....
"The Lord’s Day
the Sabbath of the Lord thy God,
for God concerning the Seventh Day thus spoke,
and God on the Seventh Day from all his works rested
according to the working of the exceeding greatness
of his mighty power which He wrought in Christ
when He raised Him from the dead
and finished all his works He had made
to reign, the King, for ever and ever.

Every word is from the Scriptures; and every word is concerning the works of God. The works of man fade away to pure vacume in the light of the "exceeding greatness of His power which He worked."

Hb4:4-5, "God thus concerning the Seventh Day spake: And God the Seventh Day rested from all His works."
The Seventh Day Sabbath of the LORD your God throughout Scriptures tell of God's works - on the Sabbath Day, specifically the Seventh Day of the week.
No single Word of these, has meaning in itself other than that it speaks of Christ. The Sabbath is eschatological --- the Sabbath's literal day as defined and limited in the Scriptures as the Seventh Day of God's working: which working, is the Rest of Gof in Jesus Christ, through Jesus Christ, by Jesus Christ, for his sake and unto His glory.

I have no moment or word to waste on human works of, or on, the Sabbath Day - which is not the Sabbath of man, but of the Son of Man.

Even so, the Scriptures has some words and pays some attention to the relation between man and the Sabbath Day. Best of all to me - it is extremely difficult to choose - is found in Colossians 2:16-19.

Imagin, I have just read a bloke Hanegraaf, use this of all Scripture, to justify and as it were sanctify December 25 for Christian day of worship! If ever there was blasphemy!

No, this Scripture belongs to the Day Paul -- and the Holy Spirit, attributed it, the Sabbath. "Do not you therefore let yourselves be judged by anyone with regard to your eating and drinking -- your eating and drinking indeed of feast of either month's or Sabbath's Feast! For these things are still but a spectre of things a-coming, even the Body of Christ's Own ... growing with the vitality of God."

O, I receive may scoldings, mockings, anatemas etc. But no one has as yet been able to refute anything I hold and believe is very simple Bible facts.

Like the fact that Jesus rose from the dead "On the Sabbath before the First Day of the week" (as it is written), and not, 'After the Sabbath on the First Day of the week' -- as it is not written!
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 24, 2008 12:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I also hold an 'official' statement or confession of faith regarding the Sabbath, but what we in Afrikaans call a 'dolerende belydenis' of 'nonconformitist confession'. The Eglish unfortunately does not contain the element of sorrow which the Afrikaans has. We protest with sorrow, not eagerly, but grievingly:

12, Ons bely, betreur, bestry, bestraf en verwerp die Kerk se ontkenning, miskenning en misbruik van die Bybel as
die Woord en openbaring van God se wil vir die Volk,
sy volhardende misbruik van eie profetiese amp en
onberouvolle versmading van eie wordingsgeskiedenis,
in diens en tot diens van die afgodery
van Sondagsheiliging en Sabbatsveragting.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 24, 2008 12:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I may add to Paul and the Holy Spirit the Church itself, for protagonist of Sabbaths' Feast as and for Christians, because Paul here condones and encourages the Christian Congregation in its Sabbaths' celebration.

Further, and most important, is the First Cause in this regard, namely, as it is written from verse 12 to verse 15, that Christ "init triumphed" --- "in it" namely, his sacrifice in suffering and death and resurrection from the dead. Undeniably is the Sabbath in Colossians 2:12-19 intricately and irrevocably connected with and fastened to Christ and to the resurrection of Christ from the dead.

Neither Christ or His resurrection is thus related with the First Day of the week; not nearly; not in the least; not at all! But the Church in that it so dishonoured the Sabbath by having stolen the sabbath's God-given honour of Jesus' resurrection and by having given that honour to the First Day, not only dishonoured and defamated the Sabbath Seventh Day, but dishounered and defamated the First day of the week, because it has stripped it of its God-given honour of having been created a day for the work and duty of man.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 24, 2008 1:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

eleven wrote:
Just answer me this question, will ya please? Cause I have asked this of other Saturday Sabbath observers and have yet to receive an answer.

What about those who have to work on the Saturday Sabbath? Are we condemned to hell because we worship on Sunday rather than Saturday?

Very interested in your reply.


GE:
But just in case you think my answer is not straight enough: What about those who have to work on the Saturday Sabbath?
Paul: If you cannot look after your family, you are worse thana heathen!
Jesus: Take up your bed, and go!
Jesus: "The third day - which was the Sabbath - I finish working!"
Jesus: "My Father and I, work, till now" - 'now' was the Sabbath Day!
The Holy Spirit: "If you hear His Voice, do not harden your heart!" But enter in by faith! That takes effort, brother! To keep Sabbath, is work, work, work!

It is not our works that matter; it is God's works that matter.
If doing nothing is your Sabbaths' rest, then doing nothing is your Sabbath's WORK. Now bring that to God for an offering of faith!

But would you be so audacious as to think God will or must tolerate you chase after profit on His Holy Day? Woe unto you, Pharisees, generation of vipers and blood-money suckers! He shall not only bruise your head, but crush it under his heel!

Ag no, no Christian could doubt what is right and what is wrong. "They shall no one teach his brother, because they shall all be taught by the LORD."
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 25, 2008 11:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

GE wrote:

But just in case you think my answer is not straight enough: What about those who have to work on the Saturday Sabbath?
Paul: If you cannot look after your family, you are worse thana heathen!


True, but I have no idea why you listed this in reference to the sabbath. Isn't this true everyday???


GE wrote:

Jesus: Take up your bed, and go!
Jesus: "The third day - which was the Sabbath - I finish working!
Jesus: "My Father and I, work, till now" - 'now' was the Sabbath Day!
The Holy Spirit: "If you hear His Voice, do not harden your heart!" But enter in by faith! That takes effort, brother! To keep Sabbath, is work, work, work!


Do police work on Saturday?
I sure hope so.

Are babies born on Saturdays?
Apparently not if you are a Seventh Day Adventist because if they are, some nurse and doctor somewhere would be WORKING to deliver that child safely.
(and yes, they earn a paycheck doing it)

Do people drown on Saturdays?
It has been known to happen -
especially when THERE WASN'T A LIFEGUARD ON DUTY.

Do houses catch fire on Saturday?
Thank God for firemen who risk their lives and will come to the rescue ANY DAY OF THE WEEK.

Ever make a phone call on Saturday?
Kudos to those who work our communications systems.

This is but a small sample.

GE wrote:

It is not our works that matter; it is God's works that matter.
If doing nothing is your Sabbaths' rest, then doing nothing is your Sabbath's WORK. Now bring that to God for an offering of faith!

But would you be so audacious as to think God will or must tolerate you chase after profit on His Holy Day? Woe unto you, Pharisees, generation of vipers and blood-money suckers! He shall not only bruise your head, but crush it under his heel!



GE if it gives you peace (and you are fortunate enough) to not work on saturday, God Bless you. But there is something really small about putting down others who do-- mostly because this rule is not scriptural.

What God said was "work 6 days, and keep the last day of your workweek for Me" He did not say, Saturday is the Sabbath. If God wanted Saturday, and only Saturday to be the day of worship, He would have told us so specifically. We don't serve a God of "figure it out."
God WANTS us to succeed. He doesn't delight in tripping people up.

So ask yourself then -

Why DO people have to work on Saturdays if that is the Sabbath?
Why are babies born then?
Why do emergencies happen then?
Who is going to take care of the elderly in nursing homes on that day?

Do you think all these people work on saturday strickly for profit???? Are you kidding me???



GE wrote:

Ag no, no Christian could doubt what is right and what is wrong. "They shall no one teach his brother, because they shall all be taught by the LORD."


Be careful what you sow, GE. Because whatever you sow, so shall you reap.
If your husband and wife were to suffer a heart attack on Saturday, would you call 911?
Of course you would! And praise God, someone will be there on the other end of the line........ WORKING!!!
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Gerhard Ebersöhn
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 30, 2008 11:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Through this thread a fellowship between two individuals thus far has been maintained --- a fellowship I wish no longer to continue for obvious reason here as well as on another thread.

I pray I may enjoy the company of others for Christian fellowship on this thread, that may keep it alive and well and going.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 01, 2008 6:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm very sorry to hear that, because we learn nothing from separation.

But I'm also not surprised, because this is the exact same response I get from everyone who insists the saturday sabbath is the only thing God respects.

Once pressed to answer the question-
if that is true, why would God have people work on saturdays (babies born, fires, communication, and so on)
the response is always the same..........."I don't care to discuss it anymore."

Which only goes to show you, insisting that saturday and only saturday can be the sabbath, is not true.

GE, I respect you, I truly do.
I'm sorry if you think I pressed too hard.

God bless you and I'll be thinking of you on saturday.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 02, 2008 1:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Eleven, I apologise; you gave me a good, honest answer, and I ask that we may continue our conversation. On that other thread, I also made some sort of apology because I was wrong about you.

Now, here, is your sole and ultimate argument for what also you make clear in your statement:

"Once pressed to answer the question- if that is true, why would God have people work on saturdays (babies born, fires, communication, and so on) the response is always the same..........."I don't care to discuss it anymore." Which only goes to show you, insisting that saturday and only saturday can be the sabbath, is not true. "

Now that is making the bad answer of a bad sabbatharian your best argument against one of God's best gifts of grace and love to his Church.
You didn't use the Word for that, did you?

But to save you and me much trouble, I say again, the Sabbath is not about the work of man, but about the work of God - his work that in itself IS the Rest of God. The Sabbath is about God in Christ working "to-us-ward", "the exceeding greatness of his Power when He raised Christ from the dead", thus, to have rested, and to have entered into His Own Rest as God in His Own", Hb4:10, Eph1:19: "THEREFORE THERE REMAINS VALID FOR THE PEOPLE OF GOD THEIR KEEPING OF THE SABBATH DAY"!
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