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Steven3
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 Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 2:12 pm Post subject: Re: Salvation |
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| skytintedwater wrote: | | I just have a question to ask. What do you think is necessary for Salvation? Just give me your ideas. |
Acts 16:30 Then he brought them out and said, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?” 31 And they said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household.” 32 And they spoke the word of the Lord to him and to all who were in his house. 33 And he took them the same hour of the night and washed their wounds; and he was baptized at once, he and all his family. 34 Then he brought them up into his house and set food before them. And he rejoiced along with his entire household that he had believed in God.
And expanded somewhat here:
Ro10:9 because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved.
1. confess - pretty easy these days (unless you live in a muslim country) but no small matter in the 1st Century. See Matthew 10:33 "but whoever denies me before men, I also will deny before my Father who is in heaven."
2. believe - again pretty easy. "that God raised him from the dead" is only Paul's "most important" Gospel summary in 1Co15:2-4. Though there is some debate among Christians whether God did in fact raise Jesus from the dead, and John 10:17 is widely quoted in efforts to prove that Jesus in fact raised himself.
And
Titus 3:5 he saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit,
God bless
Steven
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Jo5:26 The Father ... has granted the Son also to have life in himself.
Ro6:10 the death he died he died to sin, once for all, but the life he lives he lives to God.
2Co13:4 he was crucified in weakness, but lives by the power of God. |
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atoz
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| Posted: Fri Aug 24, 2007 10:09 am Post subject: Re: Salvation |
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| skytintedwater wrote: | | I just have a question to ask. What do you think is necessary for Salvation? Just give me your ideas. |
Hi Stw,
Welcome!
What I think is necessary for salvation is Love of yourself as all words and their opposites so you wd be auto able to love God and all others as yourself.
with Love for all synonyms & antonyms,
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skytintedwater
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| Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2007 1:46 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for replying... I have another question to add though.
You mentioned a lot of good things...but what about repentance? Is that something that is absoltely needed? And is love of yourself and others something that the bible says is a necessity? |
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theseldomscene
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| Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2007 3:57 pm Post subject: |
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hello and welcome...  |
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Steven3
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| Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2007 2:52 am Post subject: |
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Hi Skytintedwater  | skytintedwater wrote: | Thanks for replying... I have another question to add though.
You mentioned a lot of good things...but what about repentance? Is that something that is absoltely needed? And is love of yourself and others something that the bible says is a necessity? |
I think these are more the prerequisite for and product of real belief rather than independent items, but, basically, yes:
2 Corinthians 7:10 For godly grief produces a repentance that leads to salvation without regret, whereas worldly grief produces death.
1 John 3:14 We know that we have passed out of death into life, because we love the brothers. Whoever does not love abides in death.
God bless
S
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Jo5:26 The Father ... has granted the Son also to have life in himself.
Ro6:10 the death he died he died to sin, once for all, but the life he lives he lives to God.
2Co13:4 he was crucified in weakness, but lives by the power of God. |
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atoz
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| Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2007 3:59 am Post subject: |
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| skytintedwater wrote: | Thanks for replying... I have another question to add though.
You mentioned a lot of good things...but what about repentance? Is that something that is absoltely needed? And is love of yourself and others something that the bible says is a necessity? |
Hi STW,
Yes,
repentance of the sin of hating yourself as any word
is absolutely needed
and
is what leads to Godly Love of yourself as all words so that you wd automatically have the Love to love God and all others as yourself...since to repent means to turn around 180 degrees from self-Hate and go in the opposite direction to all self-Love as God loves u: and God loves us as Himself 100% as all words:
Matthew 5:43-48; Romans 8:35-39; Philippians 4:11-13, Eccles 3:1-8, Matthew 4:4, Luke 4:4, etc!
That's what acts 2:28-40 means:
Repent of the sin of Hate of yourself as any words so that you wd auto receive The Holy Spirit of Love for yourself as all words and so auto be able to love all others as yourself.
The more you repent of hating yourself as any word the more of God's Holy Spirit of Love you receive automatically....which also means more faith since Faith works by Love. Galatians 5:6.
A little more detail:
Sin is the breaking of the law: 1 john 3:4.
The Law is Love: Matthew 22:36-40, mark 12:29-34 and Luke 10:25-27 and Leviticus 19:17-18, 34 and Deur 6:1-10.
And all other laws
are summarised by
the Golden Rule of Matthew 7:12,
and hung on or based on
the Law of Love of self as God and as your neighbor so you love God and all neybas as self: Matthew 22:40.
Yes, so repentance of the sin of self-hate and the necessity to love yourself as God loves u: 1 John 4:19, John 15:9, 25 go hand in hand or heart in heart:
1 Peter 4:8
And above all things have fervent Love among yourselves: for Love shall cover the multitude of sins.
And that 'multitude' of sin is is ALL sin!
Proverbs 10:
12Hatred stirreth up strifes:
but love covereth all sins.
Hope that helps.
Please ask any more questions you have on anything.
On His Majesty's Service: O.H.M.S.: of Love to God and to one and all,
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RevJP
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| Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2007 6:56 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | What do you think is necessary for Salvation? |
Grace through faith:
Romans 3:21-24 But now the righteousness of God has been revealed independently and altogether apart from the Law, although actually it is attested by the Law and the Prophets, (22) Namely, the righteousness of God which comes by believing with personal trust and confident reliance on Jesus Christ (the Messiah). [And it is meant] for all who believe. For there is no distinction, (23) Since all have sinned and are falling short of the honor and glory which God bestows and receives. (24) [All] are justified and made upright and in right standing with God, freely and gratuitously by His grace (His unmerited favor and mercy), through the redemption which is [provided] in Christ Jesus,
Rom 5:2 Through Him also we have [our] access (entrance, introduction) by faith into this grace (state of God's favor) in which we [firmly and safely] stand. And let us rejoice and exult in our hope of experiencing and enjoying the glory of God.
Rom 11:6 But if it is by grace (His unmerited favor and graciousness), it is no longer conditioned on works or anything men have done. Otherwise, grace would no longer be grace [it would be meaningless].
Ephesians 2:8-9 For it is by free grace (God's unmerited favor) that you are saved (delivered from judgment and made partakers of Christ's salvation) through [your] faith. And this [salvation] is not of yourselves [of your own doing, it came not through your own striving], but it is the gift of God; (9) Not because of works [not the fulfillment of the Law's demands], lest any man should boast. [It is not the result of what anyone can possibly do, so no one can pride himself in it or take glory to himself.]
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pastor2022
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