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Luvnlife
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 Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 5:59 pm Post subject: The epistle of Jesus written in fleshy tables of our hearts |
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I bet sometimes you guys wish that I didn't carry a notepad to write down my questions and comments in when I read my scriptures. But I do, so here goes again:
2 Cor:
2 Ye are our epistle written in our hearts, known and read of all men:
3 Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.
4 And such trust have we through Christ to God-ward:
5 Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God;
6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
My comment is WOW! I read this several times. I think verses 2 & 3 are beautiful and poetic (and self-explanatory).
My questions though revolve around what is stated in verse 6 where it says 'made us able ministers'... who is this referring to? Is this to the church? Is this referring to people in our time? If so, is it just men or also women?
Thanks again for your help!
Much Luv  
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theseldomscene
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| Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 7:28 pm Post subject: |
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| of course for all...women are to teach the women...and ministering involves much more that teaching or speaking...but does include those... |
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lone-traveler
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| Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 6:53 am Post subject: |
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Psa 103:21 Bless ye the LORD, all [ye] his hosts; [ye] ministers of his, that do his pleasure.
Psa 104:1 ¶ Bless the LORD, O my soul. O LORD my God, thou art very great; thou art clothed with honour and majesty.
Psa 104:2 Who coverest [thyself] with light as [with] a garment: who stretchest out the heavens like a curtain:
Psa 104:3 Who layeth the beams of his chambers in the waters: who maketh the clouds his chariot: who walketh upon the wings of the wind:
Psa 104:4 Who maketh his angels spirits; his ministers a flaming fire:
Psa 104:5 [Who] laid the foundations of the earth, [that] it should not be removed for ever.
just making a note for me...
who coverest thyself with light as with a garment...
cover with light...to be clothed upon....
Isa 61:6 But ye shall be named the Priests of the LORD: [men] shall call you the Ministers of our God: ye shall eat the riches of the Gentiles, and in their glory shall ye boast yourselves.
1Th 2:20 For ye are our glory and joy.
2Cr 9:1 ¶ For as touching the ministering to the saints, it is superfluous for me to write to you:
2Cr 9:2 For I know the forwardness of your mind, for which I boast of you to them of Macedonia, that Achaia was ready a year ago; and your zeal hath provoked very many.
2Cr 9:3 Yet have I sent the brethren, lest our boasting of you should be in vain in this behalf; that, as I said, ye may be ready:
2Cr 9:4 Lest haply if they of Macedonia come with me, and find you unprepared, we (that we say not, ye) should be ashamed in this same confident boasting.
2Cr 9:5 Therefore I thought it necessary to exhort the brethren, that they would go before unto you, and make up beforehand your bounty, whereof ye had notice before, that the same might be ready, as [a matter of] bounty, and not as [of] covetousness.
eating the riches of the gentiles...that's an interesting verse..
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Luvnlife
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| Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 5:42 pm Post subject: |
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TSS wrote:
| Quote: | | of course for all...women are to teach the women... |
TSS; Will you show me in the bible where it says that women minister only to other women? What about mothers with sons whose father has passed on or is not an active part of their lives?
TSS said:
| Quote: | | ministering involves much more that teaching or speaking...but does include those... |
Are you talking about charitable works and setting good examples? I am interested in what you have to say as I have great respect for you (and Lone and MoJo)... could you elaborate on this thought for me?
Lone wrote:
| Quote: | | Psa 103:21 Bless ye the LORD, all [ye] his hosts; [ye] ministers of his, that do his pleasure. |
This verse does not seem to be gender-specific. Kind of like verse 6 in the original post.
Thanks again for your help. God Bless!
Much Luv
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theseldomscene
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| Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 6:31 pm Post subject: |
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| luvnlife wrote: | | Tss wrote: |
of course for all...women are to teach the women... |
TSS; Will you show me in the bible where it says that women minister only to other women? What about mothers with sons whose father has passed on or is not an active part of their lives? |
we have so many of these discussions...it is difficult to follow what i have said where...we just finished one in the rev forum...but...to answer you...
a woman can teach children...
and can lead others to the knowledge of HIM ....she can hold large meetings for the purpose of evangelizing....can direct men of all ages...women of all ages to HIS light....
but in the church...when the church is gathered together...she is not to teach or usurp authority over a man...and is to keep silent till she gets home if she has questions...BUT...
she can pray and prophesy...if her 'head' is covered...
| luv wrote: | | tss wrote: | | ministering involves much more that teaching or speaking...but does include those... |
Are you talking about charitable works and setting good examples? (edit)... could you elaborate on this thought for me? |
yes setting a good example is a command for all in the church...and is all to often lightly disregarded...
and charitable works ...all should strive for such...
but...
i am talking about walking in the calling GOD has placed them in....taking the gospel to the ends of the earth...
starting works where there are none...praying and prophesying like they were promised they would do...
walking in the SPIRIT, with gifts flowing for the nurturing of HIS body...
| Quote: | | I am interested in what you have to say as I have great respect for you |
 (that is me sticking my tongue out at you...)... |
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Luvnlife
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| Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 8:45 pm Post subject: |
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TSS - | Quote: | | (that is me sticking my tongue out at you...)... |
.. Keep your tongue in your mouth. Man, now I know that your my brother (as of the four that I was raised with, I think they all stuck their tongues out at me at least once)....
On a more serious note...
The following scripture is part of what prompted me to ask questions about a womans role. I have heard this scripture or at least a portion of this scripture many times over the years. But when I read it this time, the last part stood out to me:
1 Cor 14:
34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.
Laws were so different back then. God expects us still to obey the laws of the land (unless the laws go against Gods laws like worshipping idols for example). Up until several decades ago, women in our "free society" couldn't hold public office, couldn't hold public meetings and couldn't even vote to elect public officials that determined the laws of the land she lived in.
Women in America today have much more freedom than women in those days did. It may have served them well, it may not have. I don't know. I do know that with so many women being heads of households these days, being that subservient is not healthy to a woman or her offspring. And what's not healthy for her offspring is not good for the future of mankind as a whole (since the children are our future).
Well, I must be tired. I am starting to ramble.
Good night TSS, Good night, Lone.
God Bless!
Much Luv 
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theseldomscene
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| Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 7:24 pm Post subject: |
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....maybe i did not explain myself well enough...but a woman is only to submit to her own husband...
if a woman is single...and raising a family...there is no commmand for her to submit to any man...other than the GOD given authorities we are all to submit to...
i think the worse thing for society to do is to break the GOD given order...
and 'as says the law' .......imo.....means...genesis and the order of creation found there...which paul refers to in other instances when he teaches on the roles of gender...
in chapter 11...and in tim 2....both times he refers back to creation...and the word there in 1 cor 14 ..."law"...is used in other places in the n.t. to refer to o.t. books not consider to be the "law" by many....JESUS did so once....used the same word...and quoted psalms in john 12...as HE did again in jn. 15:25....and refered to it as the law... ...
and one of the apostles(who i can't remember....)...refers to the law and quotes the prophets.... |
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Luvnlife
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TSS... I think you have done a fine job of explaining this. I am not going to respond tonight though as I am just trying to wrap my mind around some of what I have read in this thread....
I really appreciate your input.
Thanks again. I'll be in touch in a day or so on this one....
Much Luv
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