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steven
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 Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 6:01 pm Post subject: Debate on God's Condemnation of Homosexuality: |
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God wishes that none would perish but that all would come to repentance. God has shown love by condemning all homosexuals to eternal damnation; His righteous decree has found homosexuality to be an abomination and has in the past brought fire down on men, women and children because of it.
Any thoughts?
- Steven
Please note I may not respond to extra-biblical opinion.
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FFT
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| Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 1:33 am Post subject: Re: Debate on God's Condemnation of Homosexuality: |
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| steven wrote: | God wishes that none would perish but that all would come to repentance. God has shown love by condemning all homosexuals to eternal damnation; His righteous decree has found homosexuality to be an abomination and has in the past brought fire down on men, women and children because of it.
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Uh. Is that a serious post?
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ragman13
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| Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 4:09 am Post subject: |
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| steven wrote: | | Any thoughts? |
Yeah that was ridicules.
Isa 56:1 Thus says the LORD, "Preserve justice and do righteousness, For My salvation is about to come And My righteousness to be revealed.
Isa 56:2 "How blessed is the man who does this, And the son of man who takes hold of it; Who keeps from profaning the sabbath, And keeps his hand from doing any evil."
Isa 56:3 Let not the foreigner who has joined himself to the LORD say, "The LORD will surely separate me from His people." Nor let the eunuch say, "Behold, I am a dry tree."
Isa 56:4 For thus says the LORD, "To the eunuchs who keep My sabbaths, And choose what pleases Me, And hold fast My covenant,
Isa 56:5 To them I will give in My house and within My walls a memorial, And a name better than that of sons and daughters; I will give them an everlasting name which will not be cut off.
I am not going to debate with you FFT. You know what I believe about homosexuality. But Steven this is sad that you would even post this much less believe it.
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RevJP
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| Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 6:16 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Please note I may not respond to extra-biblical opinion. |
Since you posted an 'extra-biblical' opinion, I would think you would be more tolerant of the input of others that have actually read and understood scripture.
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FFT
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| Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 11:24 am Post subject: |
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Here, serious answer (without going "extrabiblical" which I assume is just a way to avoid "historical context"):
Mark
3:28 I tell you the truth, people will be forgiven for all sins, even all the blasphemies they utter.
3:29 But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven, but is guilty of an eternal sin”
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steven
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| Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 12:42 pm Post subject: |
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| FFT wrote: | Here, serious answer (without going "extrabiblical" which I assume is just a way to avoid "historical context"):
Mark
3:28 I tell you the truth, people will be forgiven for all sins, even all the blasphemies they utter.
3:29 But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven, but is guilty of an eternal sin” |
"Know ye not that the unrighteous (The wicked here are 'unjust ones, trecherous; specially, heathen') shall not inherit (Inherit here is literally and figurative 'to be an heir'.) the kingdom of God? Be not deceived (Be not led astray, as if to say that there would be those in the Body of Christ, whom would be led astray to think the wicked could enter the Kingdom of God.)neither fornicators (male prostitutes), nor idolaters, nor adulterers (male paramour), nor effeminate (figuratively, a catamite, effeminate), nor abusers of themselves with mankind, (homosexual, a sodomite) 10. Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.11. And such were some of you: but ye are washed, (to wash fully, i.e. (figuratively) have remitted (reflexively) - Christ died once and for all for the sins of the world; you have been washed, past tense, no longer are you stained by sin.) but ye are sanctified (to make holy, i.e. (ceremonially) purify or consecrate; (mentally) to venerate, but ye are justified (made right - to render (i.e. show or regard as) just or innocent), in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God." 1 Corinthians 6:9-11
Yes, some were on this list, but God's power has fully washed us, ( not partially, not halfway, nor 2/8ths...fully) , redeemed us and sanctified us, so that sin no longer reigns; we are no longer held captive by this list, nor do we continue in these sins, nor are we identified as 'the wicked', but instead identified soley in Christ, our Lord, our Savior and Redeemer.
Steven
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FFT
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| Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 2:28 pm Post subject: |
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| steven wrote: | | fornicators (male prostitutes) |
what
Who the hell came up with this translation? It's just fornicators, doesn't have anything to do with prostitutes specifically, much less male prostitutes.
| steven wrote: | | effeminate (figuratively, a catamite, effeminate) |
Malakoi (the Greek word here) literally means "soft" or "weak." It has no connotation of femininity.
| steven wrote: | | abusers of themselves with mankind, (homosexual, a sodomite) |
Arsenokoites (the Greek word here) lacks context for translation. It only shows up in lists like 1 Corinthians 6:9. It more likely condemns male prostitutes in general, but to claim that it means homosexuals and then to use it in the verse is ignorance at best and outright deceit at worst.
But all of this is irrelevant since Jesus himself said that all sins will be forgiven except for blaspheming against the Holy Spirit and I'd imagine he'd have quite a bit more authority than Paul on the matter, yes?
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Evee
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It must get very tiring holding that finger up pointing at people all the time while failing to look in the mirror & see what one needs to work on himself.
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RevJP
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It is difficult to look in the mirror when the hand you would use to hold that mirror is locked in the rigor of a pointed finger...
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Evee
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| Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 1:25 pm Post subject: |
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Very well said, JP.
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