The Great Tribulation Part One.

golfjack · Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 8:57 am Post subject: The Great Tribulation Part One.

Beginning with Matt. 24:15, Jesus speaks about special signs that will occur during the Great Tribulation (Rev. 7:14 , great distress in Matt. 24:21--- the phrase in greek is the same), signs to indicate that the end of the age is very near( Matt. 24:15-29). These signs will lead up to and signal Christ's return to earth after the Tribulation (Matt. 24:30-31; Rev. 19:11, and Rev. 20:4).

The major sign is the abomination that causes desolation (Matt. 24:15), a specific observable event that tells the faithful who are alive during the tribulation that Christ's coming to earth at the end of the age will occur very shortly. This visible sign-event refers primarily to the future desecration of the Jewish people in Jerusalem by the antichrist ( see Dan 9:27). The antichrist, or man of lawlessness, will set up an image of himself in God's temple, declaring himself to be God ( 2 Thess. 2:3-4; Rev. 13:14-15). The following are important facts concerning this pivotal event.

1. The abomination that causes desolation will mark the beginning of the final stage of the tribulation, which culminates in Christ's return to earth and His judgment on the ungodly at Armageddon ( Matt. 24:21, 29-30; Dan. 9:27; Rev. 19:11-21).

Part 2 next.

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golfjack · Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 9:36 am Post subject: Part 2

2.By noting the time of this event (so when you see Mt. 24:15), tribulation saints can know with a high degree of certainity when the tribulation will end and Christ will come to reign on earth . The time span between this event and the end is given 4 times in scripture as three and a half years, or 1260 days (Dan. 9:25-27; Rev. 11:1-2; 12:6; 13:5-7).

3. Because of this strong expentancy of Christ's coming (Mt. 24:33), the faithful must be aware that any report that Christ has returned is deceptive (Mt. 24:23-27). The coming of the Son of man after the tribulation will be observable and known to all who are in the world (Mt. 24:27-30).

Another sign will be the appearance of false prophets who, as ministers of Satan, will perform signs and miracles (Mt. 24:24).

4. Jesus admonishes all believers to be especially alert for those professed Christian prophets, teachers and preachers who are, in reality, false, and yet perform miracles, healings, signs and wonders and who appear to have great success in their ministries. At the same time, these false prophets will distort and reject the truth found in God's Word (Mt. 7:22, Gal. 1:9).

Part 3 next.

May God bless, golfjack

RND · Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 3:58 pm Post subject:

Daniel 9:25-27

Doesn't that prophecy refer to the time of the Jews being fulfilled?

Daniel 9:25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem (wasn't this commandment regarding the COI in captivity in Babylon?)unto the Messiah the Prince (Jesus) shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, (Jesus will die) but not for himself: (the people) and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary;(Rome destroyed Jerusalem in 70AD) and the end thereof shall be with a flood, (of lies) and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. (After the temple is destroyed)

27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: (From the start of Jesus' ministry to the death of Steven) and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, (In the middle of the seven year period, the veil will be rent, the temple cleansed, and the last sacrafice will have died, Jesus!) and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, (The temple) even until the consummation,(The end of the church age) and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate. (Those without the blood of Christ)

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golfjack · Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 6:10 pm Post subject: reply

Why don't you try using scripture to prove Dan. 9:25-27? It would be hard for me to debate end times with you because of your SDA thelogy, which I don't subscribe to. Anyway, thanks for responding, and will be posting more about the great Tribulation.

May God bless, golfjack

RND · Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 9:46 am Post subject: Re: reply

golfjack · Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 10:42 am Post subject: reply

My friend there is a difference between the Second Coming and the rapture. This is what Peter iis talking about. In fact in 1 Thess, Paul talks about the rapture, and in 2 thess., Paul talks about the second coming. It is very clear to me that when Jesus comes back, His Church will come back with Him.

May God bless, golfjack

RND · Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 11:41 am Post subject: Re: reply

golfjack · Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 12:52 pm Post subject: reply

The word rapture is derived from the latin word raptu, which means caught away or caught up. This latin word is equivalent to the Greek harpazo, translated as caught up in 1 Thess. 4:17. This event, described here and in 1 Co. 15, refers to the catching up of the church from the earth to meet the Lord in the air. It involves the faithful of Christ's churches.

Just prior to the rapture, as Christ is descending from heaven for His Church, the ressurrection of the dead in Christ will occur ( 1 Thess. 4:16). This is not the same resurrection described in Re. 20:4, for the latter is an event ocurring after Christ returns to earth, destroys the wicked and binds Satan (Rev. 19:11, 20:3). The resurrection in Rev. 20:4 relates to the martyred dead of the triibulation and possibly to OT saints.

At the same time as the dead in Christ rise, living believers will be transfigured; their bodies will be clothed with immortality (1 Co. 15:51, 53). This will happen in a very short time, In the twinkling of an eye ( 1 Co. 15:52).

RDM, I think your confusion is that yopu probably believe that the Church replaces Israel or maybe you have a preterist view about end times.

May God bless, golfjack

RND · Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 1:20 pm Post subject: Re: reply

golfjack · Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 3:10 pm Post subject: reply

RND, I see you pay attention to Philosphers. I really don't give that much credibility to them. They might be intellectual, but not Godly.

Let's take this discussion one step at a time and start with Dan. 9:24.

Daniel's prophesy here concerning Israel and the holy city is crucial for the last days of this age. The word translated sevenns here means a unit of seven years; thus, seventy sevens is a period of 490 years. Six specific things would be accomplished for Israel during the 490 years. 1. An atonement for wickedness will be made, accomplished in the atoning death of Jesus. 2. There will be an end to sin. All Israel (the remnant) will return to God in righteousness (see Romans 11:26). 3. The transgression will be finished, the national transgression of unbelief will cease ( Jer. 33:7-8; Eze. 37:21-23). 4. A rule of everlasting righteousness will be brought in (Isa. 59:2-21; Jer. 31:31-34). 5. Prophesy will be fulfilled and completed (Acts 3:19-26). 6. Jesus Christ will be anointed as King ( 1 Sam. 9:16; 10:1; Eze. 21:26-27). In other words God's plan oof salvation will be completed when Israel is saved.

You know, when one has one pet belief, he can fall flat on his face because he must fit all other scripture into that one pet belief.

May God bless, golfjack

RND · Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 3:40 pm Post subject:

golfjack · Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 4:27 pm Post subject: reply

The information you gave me is based on false assumptions, and is not factual. Also, these sites are very liberal and believe liberalism is going to destroy America. Yes, the Bible says there will be mockers during the last days, and go ahead and mock God. The Bible says that God will not be mocked.

May God bless, golfjack

FFT · Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 4:38 pm Post subject:

golfjack · Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 7:26 pm Post subject: reply

America has many liberals that contribute to the moral decay of America. No prayer in public schools, no 10 commandments displays on public property, favor abortion, favor same-sex marriage, blame America for all the problems of the world, want to take God out of the pledge, and many other things like the ACLU. As a result, we have more crime, teenage gangs, like the shootings at schools, no respect for parents, high school drop outs, don't know right from wrong, don't take responsibility for themselves. The liberals seem to think that all one has to do is throw money at problems, which has bbeen tried for more than 40 years with no results. Can't say God or Jesus Christ for fear of offending the Atheists. I have talked to some atheists and say to them if you don't like it, than move to another country. Does that answer your question FFT?

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Fake · Tiger Joined: 03 May 2003 Posts: 862

Had Jesus came back to earth today, and seen the US Golfjack favours, I'm pretty sure Jesus would've asked himself; "How could something so good turn out so bad?"

If Jesus would take a look at the politics of the US, he would consider the Democratic party to be too right wing, and ego-centered.
He would denounce the Republican party outright, as it stand for everything Jesus preached against.

If Jesus came back, he'd realise his sacrifice was to no avail, and he'd ask his Father to send a new flood upon earth, and wipe out mankind entirely.

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