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 Posted: Thu May 25, 2006 6:22 pm Post subject: The Return of the Nephilim |
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There are a great many passages speaking of the Nephilim and it would appear they may return in the end times.
| Quote: | | Joel 1:4, "That which the palmerworm hath left hath the locust eaten; and that which the locust hath left hath the cankerworm eaten; and that which the cankerworm hath left hath the caterpiller eaten." |
| Quote: | | Joel 2:2-11, "A day of darkness and of gloominess, a day of clouds and of thick darkness, as the morning spread upon the mountains: a great people and a strong; there hath not been ever the like, neither shall be any more after it, even to the years of many generations. A fire devoureth before them; and behind them a flame burneth: the land is as the garden of Eden before them, and behind them a desolate wilderness; yea, and nothing shall escape them. The appearance of them is as the appearance of horses; and as horsemen, so shall they run. Like the noise of chariots on the tops of mountains shall they leap, like the noise of a flame of fire that devoureth the stubble, as a strong people set in battle array. Before their face the people shall be much pained: all faces shall gather blackness. They shall run like mighty men; they shall climb the wall like men of war; and they shall march every one on his ways, and they shall not break their ranks: Neither shall one thrust another; they shall walk every one in his path: and when they fall upon the sword, they shall not be wounded. They shall run to and fro in the city; they shall run upon the wall, they shall climb up upon the houses; they shall enter in at the windows like a thief. The earth shall quake before them; the heavens shall tremble: the sun and the moon shall be dark, and the stars shall withdraw their shining: And the LORD shall utter his voice before his army: for his camp is very great: for he is strong that executeth his word: for the day of the LORD is great and very terrible; and who can abide it?" |
| Quote: | | Revelation 9:2-11, "And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit. And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power. And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads. And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man. And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them. And the shapes of the locusts were like unto horses prepared unto battle; and on their heads were as it were crowns like gold, and their faces were as the faces of men. And they had hair as the hair of women, and their teeth were as the teeth of lions. And they had breastplates, as it were breastplates of iron; and the sound of their wings was as the sound of chariots of many horses running to battle. And they had tails like unto scorpions, and there were stings in their tails: and their power was to hurt men five months. And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon." |
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| Posted: Thu May 25, 2006 6:31 pm Post subject: |
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My comment about this prediction is the same as all prognostications: trying to tell the future, especially many years in advance is scientifically impossible.
It is impossible because of Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle, which has been experimentally verified time and again.
Anyone who believes that soothsaying is possible simply hasn't studied any quantum mechanics.
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FFT
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| Posted: Thu May 25, 2006 6:35 pm Post subject: |
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The Book of Joel (particularly chapters one and two) is a description of a particularly bad invasion of locusts, and the response Joel wishes the people to have.
(Referring to 1:4) The four Hebrew terms used in this verse are of uncertain meaning. English translations show a great deal of variation in dealing with these: (1) For ָגּזָם (gazam) KJV has “palmerworm,” NEB “locust,” NAB “cutter”, NASB “gnawing locust,” NIV “locust swarm,” NKJV “chewing locust,” NRSV, NLT “cutting locust(s),” NIrV “giant locusts”; (2) for אַרְבֶּה (’arbeh) KJV has “locust,” NEB “swarm,” NAB “locust swarm,” NASB, NKJV, NRSV, NLT “swarming locust(s),” NIV “great locusts,” NIrV “common locusts”; (3) for יֶלֶק (yeleq) KJV has “cankerworm,” NEB “hopper,” NAB “grasshopper,” NASB “creeping locust,” NIV, NIrV “young locusts,” NKJV “crawling locust,” NRSV, NLT “hopping locust(s)”; (4) for חָסִיל (khasil) KJV has “caterpillar,” NEB “grub,” NAB “devourer,” NASB, NLT “stripping locust(s),” NIV, NIrV “other locusts,” NKJV “consuming locust,” NRSV “destroying locust.” It is debated whether the Hebrew terms describe different species of locusts or similar insects or different developmental stages of the same species, or are virtual synonyms. While the last seems more likely, given the uncertainty over their exact meaning, the present translation has transliterated the Hebrew terms in combination with the word “locust.”
| Quote: | | And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power. And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads. |
Joel 1:6 For a nation [of locusts] has invaded our land.
There are so many of them they are too numerous to count.
Their teeth are like those of a lion;
they tear apart their prey like a lioness.
1:7 They have destroyed our vines;
they have turned our fig trees into mere splinters.
They have completely stripped off the bark and thrown them aside;
the twigs are stripped bare.
1:10 The crops of the fields have been destroyed.
The ground is in mourning because the grain has perished.
The fresh wine has dried up;
the olive oil languishes.
1:11 Be distressed, farmers;
wail, vinedressers, over the wheat and the barley.
For the harvest of the field has perished.
So, uh, what were you trying to say? |
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Nobby
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| Posted: Thu May 25, 2006 6:53 pm Post subject: |
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Sky do you need your glasses changed? 
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lone-traveler
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| Posted: Fri May 26, 2006 4:40 am Post subject: |
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hi fft,
if you were to look at this nation of locusts symbolically, who would you say they would repesent?
there is a lot of destuction behind them and destruction is what they come to do. the vinyards, olive oil, and grains have they destroyed. and the harvest has perished.
only those men that have a mark should not be hurt.
there's a lot of marks in the bible.
who would you say the locust represent and what is this mark that the men have?
or do you think the locusts are actually insects?
just curious what your opinion would be on this.
thanks
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lone-traveler
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| Posted: Fri May 26, 2006 4:54 am Post subject: |
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I think Jeramiah fits in here somewhere too:
Jeremiah - Chapter 46
Jer 46:1 The word of the LORD which came to Jeremiah the prophet against the Gentiles;
Jer 46:2 Against Egypt, against the army of Pharaohnecho king of Egypt, which was by the river Euphrates in Carchemish, which Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon smote in the fourth year of Jehoiakim the son of Josiah king of Judah.
Jer 46:3 Order ye the buckler and shield, and draw near to battle.
Jer 46:4 Harness the horses; and get up, ye horsemen, and stand forth with [your] helmets; furbish the spears, [and] put on the brigandines.
| Quote: | | these being the locusts? |
Jer 46:5 Wherefore have I seen them dismayed [and] turned away back? and their mighty ones are beaten down, and are fled apace, and look not back: [for] fear [was] round about, saith the LORD.
Jer 46:6 Let not the swift flee away, nor the mighty man escape; they shall stumble, and fall toward the north by the river Euphrates.
Jer 46:7 Who [is] this [that] cometh up as a flood, whose waters are moved as the rivers?
Jer 46:8 Egypt riseth up like a flood, and [his] waters are moved like the rivers; and he saith, I will go up, [and] will cover the earth; I will destroy the city and the inhabitants thereof.
Jer 46:9 Come up, ye horses; and rage, ye chariots; and let the mighty men come forth; the Ethiopians and the Libyans, that handle the shield; and the Lydians, that handle [and] bend the bow.
Jer 46:10 For this [is] the day of the Lord GOD of hosts, a day of vengeance, that he may avenge him of his adversaries: and the sword shall devour, and it shall be satiate and made drunk with their blood: for the Lord GOD of hosts hath a sacrifice in the north country by the river Euphrates.
Jer 46:11 Go up into Gilead, and take balm, O virgin, the daughter of Egypt: in vain shalt thou use many medicines; [for] thou shalt not be cured.
Jer 46:12 The nations have heard of thy shame, and thy cry hath filled the land: for the mighty man hath stumbled against the mighty, [and] they are fallen both together.
Jer 46:13 The word that the LORD spake to Jeremiah the prophet, how Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon should come [and] smite the land of Egypt.
Jer 46:14 Declare ye in Egypt, and publish in Migdol, and publish in Noph and in Tahpanhes: say ye, Stand fast, and prepare thee; for the sword shall devour round about thee.
Jer 46:15 Why are thy valiant [men] swept away? they stood not, because the LORD did drive them.
Jer 46:16 He made many to fall, yea, one fell upon another: and they said, Arise, and let us go again to our own people, and to the land of our nativity, from the oppressing sword.
Jer 46:17 They did cry there, Pharaoh king of Egypt [is but] a noise; he hath passed the time appointed.
Jer 46:18 [As] I live, saith the King, whose name [is] the LORD of hosts, Surely as Tabor [is] among the mountains, and as Carmel by the sea, [so] shall he come.
Jer 46:19 O thou daughter dwelling in Egypt, furnish thyself to go into captivity: for Noph shall be waste and desolate without an inhabitant.
Jer 46:20 Egypt [is like] a very fair heifer, [but] destruction cometh; it cometh out of the north.
Jer 46:21 Also her hired men [are] in the midst of her like fatted bullocks; for they also are turned back, [and] are fled away together: they did not stand, because the day of their calamity was come upon them, [and] the time of their visitation.
Jer 46:22 The voice thereof shall go like a serpent; for they shall march with an army, and come against her with axes, as hewers of wood.
Jer 46:23 They shall cut down her forest, saith the LORD, though it cannot be searched; because they are more than the grasshoppers, and [are] innumerable.
Jer 46:24 The daughter of Egypt shall be confounded; she shall be delivered into the hand of the people of the north.
Jer 46:25 The LORD of hosts, the God of Israel, saith; Behold, I will punish the multitude of No, and Pharaoh, and Egypt, with their gods, and their kings; even Pharaoh, and [all] them that trust in him:
Jer 46:26 And I will deliver them into the hand of those that seek their lives, and into the hand of Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon, and into the hand of his servants: and afterward it shall be inhabited, as in the days of old, saith the LORD.
Jer 46:27 But fear not thou, O my servant Jacob, and be not dismayed, O Israel: for, behold, I will save thee from afar off, and thy seed from the land of their captivity; and Jacob shall return, and be in rest and at ease, and none shall make [him] afraid.
Jer 46:28 Fear thou not, O Jacob my servant, saith the LORD: for I [am] with thee; for I will make a full end of all the nations whither I have driven thee: but I will not make a full end of thee, but correct thee in measure; yet will I not leave thee wholly unpunished.
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FFT
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| Posted: Fri May 26, 2006 11:47 am Post subject: |
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| lone-traveler wrote: | | if you were to look at this nation of locusts symbolically, who would you say they would repesent? |
You'd have to look at them symbolically first, and there doesn't appear to be any reason to do so. The locusts in Joel appear to have been an actual catastrophic event transcribed. The event in Revelation was prophecy.
Revelation: And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power. And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.
Joel: For a nation [of locusts] has invaded our land. There are so many of them they are too numerous to count. Their teeth are like those of a lion; they tear apart their prey like a lioness. They have destroyed our vines; they have turned our fig trees into mere splinters. They have completely stripped off the bark and thrown them aside; the twigs are stripped bare.
The crops of the fields have been destroyed. The ground is in mourning because the grain has perished. The fresh wine has dried up; the olive oil languishes. Be distressed, farmers; wail, vinedressers, over the wheat and the barley. For the harvest of the field has perished.
Do you see why neither is talking about the same event?
| lone-traveler wrote: | | or do you think the locusts are actually insects? |
In Joel? Yes.
In Revelation? Man, that book is too many kinds of crazy for me to come to a definitive conclusion. |
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lone-traveler
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| Posted: Sat May 27, 2006 4:19 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | In Revelation? Man, that book is too many kinds of crazy for me to come to a definitive conclusion. |
this is life lolol...too many kinds of crazy 
thanks
lone
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| Posted: Sat May 27, 2006 1:06 pm Post subject: |
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| Nobby wrote: | | Sky do you need your glasses changed? |
Not at all. Those are not literal locusts. Locusts are physical. That which proceeds from the Bottomless Pit are not physical. Scriptures tell of only one kind of anything that was ever confined to the HBottomless Pit, that being, the angels that sinned, fell, cohabited with women and were, ultimately confined in chains in everlasting darkness. Those fallen angels are the 'locusts' and the inference is symbolic. |
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FFT
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| Posted: Sat May 27, 2006 1:32 pm Post subject: |
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| Sky wrote: | | Not at all. Those are not literal locusts. Locusts are physical. That which proceeds from the Bottomless Pit are not physical. Scriptures tell of only one kind of anything that was ever confined to the HBottomless Pit, that being, the angels that sinned, fell, cohabited with women and were, ultimately confined in chains in everlasting darkness. Those fallen angels are the 'locusts' and the inference is symbolic. |
There is no such inference in Joel. Joel is about an actual plague of locusts.
Did you miss the part where the locusts in Revelation didn't actually touch any vegetable matter, and the locusts in Joel destroyed all of it? |
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