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FFT
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 Posted: Fri Apr 28, 2006 2:23 pm Post subject: Evolution On Downward Spiral! Compilation |
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This is a compilation of creationists' claims that the theory of evolution is a faltering doctrine etc. since 1825. The current claims that evolution is on the way out are nothing new.
They could almost be the new "the world is ending!"s. |
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The fact is that there has never been so much widespread scientific support for macroevolution as there is today.
All of the genetic evidence during that last 30 years was the nail in the coffin of creation.
There is absolutely no scientific basis for arguing against macroevolution.
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NCBornandRaised1
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In school right now we are studying evolution. Is evolution true?
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Trinity1
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| NCBornandRaised1 wrote: | | In school right now we are studying evolution. Is evolution true? |
The first thing you have to do is determine what someone means by 'evolution'. Change... mutational processes... macro... micro... the art of equivocation is perfected in this argument.
Quick answer... no... prolly not as you are taught in school. (Goo-to-you)
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| NCBornandRaised1 wrote: | | In school right now we are studying evolution. Is evolution true? |
NCBornandRaised...I'll just say that in various threads you'll find strong arguments supporting both sides of the debate from supporters convinced they are "right". My advice, consider it all...continue to study and make your own determination. For me to say Yes or No is pointless without your understanding the points of view of each side of the argument....
And this advice applies to everything....ask questions. Seek answers. And keep an open mind...you never know when you'll find that piece that makes it click..and then click again later....
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| NCBornandRaised1 wrote: | | In school right now we are studying evolution. Is evolution true? |
Firstly, I want to tell you to listen to Pondering. Everything that he says is good. You should figure out what you consider to be the best arguments, and you should ask lots of questions.
Now, to answer your question: Your question is not specific enough. There are two types of evolution: microevolution and macroevolution. EVERYBODY agrees that microevolution is true. It is macroevolution that has been controvercial with religious people because it goes against the literal word of the Bible. So I think that what you really want to be asking is whether macroevolution is true.
If you are asking my opinion on the matter, I am a scientist, and therefore I support the mainstream scientific viewpoint that macroevolution is true. There is an incredible amount of scientific evidence supporting macroevolution, and virtually every mainstream scientist on the planet agrees with it. There are no good scientific arguments against it. The only reason for not believing in macroevolution is if it goes against your religious beliefs.
It is certainly possible to be a Christian AND to believe in macroevolution. There are plenty of Christian scientists out there who have no problem believing in the teachings of Jesus Christ and the teachings of science.
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By the way NCBornandRaised1, you said that you go to school. What grade are you in? What are they teaching you about evolution?
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Trinity1
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| Posted: Sat May 06, 2006 5:14 am Post subject: Re: Evolution On Downward Spiral! Compilation |
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| FFT wrote: | Link
This is a compilation of creationists' claims that the theory of evolution is a faltering doctrine etc. since 1825. The current claims that evolution is on the way out are nothing new.
They could almost be the new "the world is ending!"s. |
I actually went to that sorrid website... interesting read.
I suppose one could just as easily go through some of the statements used by evolutionists over the past 150 years citing 'conclusive' evidnece for evolution that is no longer used.
A classic example is the evidence read into the transcripts of the Scopes Monkey Trail demonstratingt he veracity of evolution. It is odd that none of it is used today.  I suppose in another 150 years folks will be saying the same thing about today's 'evidence'. At the same time, it would interesting to see if, according to Voltaire, the 'rotting corpse of Christianity' is just as alive as it is today.
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| Trinity1 wrote: | | I actually went to that sorrid website... interesting read. |
Did you mean sordid or torrid? I'm not really sure what to think of this.
And then, of course, you manage to completely miss the point of the site.
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Trinity1
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| FFT wrote: | | Trinity1 wrote: | | I actually went to that sorrid website... interesting read. |
Did you mean sordid or torrid? I'm not really sure what to think of this. |
Hmmm… I guess I stuck an ‘r’ where a ‘d’ should have gone.  Cut me some slack… I hadn’t even finished my first cup of coffee this morning when I posted it.
| Quote: | | And then, of course, you manage to completely miss the point of the site. |
As always I guess…  perhaps you missed the point of the post I made. Would you like to take an equally ‘sordid’ trip down memory lane with your fellow evolutionists? It gets real interesting real quick.
Just let me know, as I am always eager to accommodate. 
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FFT
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| Trinity1 wrote: | | Would you like to take an equally ‘sordid’ trip down memory lane with your fellow evolutionists? It gets real interesting real quick. |
Sure. Most of the stuff before the modern synthesis (when Mendel's work with genetics explained how evolution worked) is admittedly laughable in a modern context, no doubt. Lamarck's stuff is at first glance hilariously wrong, but what he actually asserted (in a time without a theoretical framework explaining evolution) is now seen as very similar to what is now known as "epigenetic inheritance."
Anyway, enough with my little derail. Feel free to engage us in this trip of yours. That is, this "'conclusive' evidnece for evolution that is no longer used." |
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I'm in 8th grade and they are teaching us that evolution is due to natural selection...
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That's a good enough simple answer.
I've got an analogy for you:
Have you read Shakespeare? Did you have trouble understanding bits of it? Well, if you go back even further in literary history, to Chaucer, you'll have even more difficulty understanding it. If you go back far enough, you're working with entirely different languages, which have resulted in languages absolutely foreign to us today.
Language has evolved. It didn't do so in the biological sense, of course, but it's a good example, I think. |
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| NCBornandRaised1 wrote: | | I'm in 8th grade and they are teaching us that evolution is due to natural selection... |
and natural selection... naturally selects... big deal.
Natural Selection does not create... there is a huge difference. Natural selection and stasis preserves and protects a ‘species’. it does not make a man out of a bacteria... regardless of the elementary oversimplifications others may try to sell you under the guise of 'science'... all extant organisms on this earth are not the result of millions of years of natural selection. If someone tries to tell you otherwise, all you have to do is ask where the 'trunk' of the phylogenic tree is...
The rest of it is only guesswork and comparative anatomy… predicated on science… fiction.
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| Trinity1 wrote: | | Natural selection and stasis preserves and protects a ‘species’. |
By what mechanism? What evidence is there of this "stasis?"
| Trinity1 wrote: | | The rest of it is only guesswork and comparative anatomy… predicated on science… fiction. |
Look, NC: are you having any problems with what they're teaching? If you are, what are they? |
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