perdition

lone-traveler · Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2005 6:37 am Post subject: perdition

Phl 1:27 Only let your conversation be as it becometh the gospel of Christ: that whether I come and see you, or else be absent, I may hear of your affairs, that ye stand fast in one spirit, with one mind striving together for the faith of the gospel;
Phl 1:28 And in nothing terrified by your adversaries: which is to them an evident token of perdition, but to you of salvation, and that of God.
Phl 1:29 For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;
Phl 1:30 Having the same conflict which ye saw in me, and now hear [to be] in me.

I was wondering what the evident token of perdition meant.

Jhn 17:12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.

Jesus came to save that which was lost. Did he come to save Judas?

Rev 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

Pronunciation Guide
apoleia {ap-o'-li-a}

TDNT Reference Root Word
TDNT - 1:396,67 from a presumed derivative of 622
Part of Speech
n f
Outline of Biblical Usage
1) destroying, utter destruction
a) of vessels
2) a perishing, ruin, destruction
a) of money
b) the destruction which consists of eternal misery in hell

Authorized Version (KJV) Translation Count — Total: 20
AV - perdition 8, destruction 5, waste 2, damnable 1, to die + 1519 1,
perish + 1498 + 1519 1, pernicious 1; 20

Judas was the son of perdition, and the beast goes into perdition.
and being terrified by your adversaries is an evident token of perdition.
Phl 1:30 Having the same conflict which ye saw in me, and now hear [to be] in me.

Is the conflict the perdition that perishes, that is destroyed?
That's how I'm seeing it.

Thoughts...
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Joh 15:14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.
Joh 15:12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.

lone-traveler · Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2005 6:42 am Post subject:

Conflict (Noun)
1 Strong's Number: 73 Greek: agon
from ago, "to lead," signifies (a) "a place of assembly," especially the place where the Greeks assembled for the Olympic and Pythian games; (b) "a contest of athletes," metaphorically, 1Ti 6:12; 2Ti 4:7, "fight;" Hbr 12:1, "race;" hence, (c) "the inward conflict of the soul;" inward "conflict" is often the result, or the accompaniment, of outward "conflict," Phil. 1 Thess. 2;2, implying a contest against spiritual foes, as well as human adversaries; so Col 2:1, "conflict," AV; RV, "(how greatly) I strive," lit., "how great a conflict I have." See CONTENTION, FIGHT, RACE. Cp. agonizomai (Eng., "agonize"), 1Cr 9:25 etc.

2 Strong's Number: 119 Greek: athlesis
denotes "a combat, contest of athletes;" hence, "a struggle, fight," Hbr 10:32, with reference to affliction. See FIGHT. Cp. athleo, "to strive," 2Ti 2:5 (twice).
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Joh 15:14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.
Joh 15:12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.