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FFT Emperor of the Universe

Joined: 26 Mar 2005 Posts: 6337 Location: Memphis
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Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2005 1:25 am Post subject: Evolution: False? |
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I've seen claims that the theory of evolution has been proven false. Anyone care to enlighten me as to who falsified it, when, and where I can read about it? _________________ When Science was in its crib, Religion tried to strangle it. When Science was in its infancy, Religion tried to abuse it. Now that Science is grown up, Religion wants to be in its good graces.
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t-shirtsnjeans Big Goldfish
Joined: 17 Sep 2005 Posts: 69
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Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2005 6:43 am Post subject: |
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I did. You can read it right here. Evolution is false.
Now, go about your day and enjoy the weather  _________________ In the beginning God created,,.......any questions? |
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ekspiulo Ferret

Joined: 14 May 2005 Posts: 123
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Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2005 7:34 am Post subject: |
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Evolution was proven false, when Dr. Herbert Edinburgh discovered fossils of partial skulls and pelvis bones of two homo-sapiens in a bed of shale along side triceratops fossils. The strata the bones were found in and radio carbon dating each independently date the bone fragments to approximately 80 MYA. The bones were found during a dig in north eastern Egypt in 2003 and the identification by Dr. Edinburgh has been confirmed by scientists at Pavia University very recently. The results, my source, were published earlier this year.
Edinburgh, Herbert. “Homo-Sapiens Skeletal Fragments in Anomalous Strata.” Journal of Anthropological Archaeology 24.1 (2005): 31-36.
I'm rereading the article now because I'm still shocked. . . _________________ "The obvious must be observed and re-observed and argued for. This is a thankless job." - Sam Harris |
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unschoolmom Kitten

Joined: 11 Oct 2005 Posts: 141 Location: Nova Scotia
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Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2005 8:44 am Post subject: |
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Do you have the actual journal? I can't find any mention of this (and nothing on Dr. Herbert Edinburgh) on Google except the same acticle about that article on quite a few creation sites.
Regardless, I don't think anyone is going to be sweating bullets over this. It's one article, just published, without much peer review yet. One strange finding is not going to topple over a century of findings. It might bring up some questions about the good doctor, perhaps about some unique geology in the area, possible hoaxes, etc. We'll see. But I don't look at the one squashed chipmunk on the highway and clutch my chest declaring, "The highway isn't asphalt! It's dead rodents!" |
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david2 Booted
Joined: 29 Sep 2005 Posts: 81
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Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2005 4:15 am Post subject: |
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theories that include expressions that can't BE PUT INTO PRACTICE today are automatically false. have a horse do a donkey and you get what an ass_ _ _e.
evolution- for idiots only,
come inside let me show you how the pear fell down and met the orange and made the prune and the carrot slept with the beet and had acouple of potatoes. ya right.
when you can show me how the plant chain all evloved by proven one tomato became from a cucumber or porking some raspberry plant , then i might look and see if the goat does the sheep, and makes a sheepdog.
E ___v __ I _____L ____________________UTION.
SICK PERVERTED DOCTRINE OF EVIL KINGS TO KEEP ALL MEN THINKING THEY ARE CARNAL BEINGS, NOT SPIRITUALLY MADE.
AS GOD SAID I SEND THE SOULS ... Eze 18: 4 I created all souls
sent sons, pitched sons , from past into the present , even some of you are old stones from thousands of years past.
so if the soul is moving in and out of bodies, where does evolution stand on that.?
the scientist is claiming that all bodies are created by other bodies denying the very existence of the spirit or soul any continuing condition.
Furthermore if you accept the evolution of bodies, you deny the soul as he self and accept the body as self , if you do,___ SHUT YOUR BIBLES AND GET OUT OF HERE, YOU HYPOCRITE, LYING FOOL.
YOUR SHORT SIGHTED VISION OF THE PLANET AND UNIVERSE IS RESTRICTING YOU UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT IS ETERNAL, HAVING EXISTED BILLIONS AND BILLIONS OF YEARS AGO EVEN IN OTHER UNIVERSES ANS GALAXIES,
Don't you remember before noah, was another age and time frame people live 1000 years, though it seemed to that age only 100 years none the less it was 1000 years.
to all who believe in God as the source of all, thank - you.
However, you can't imagine how much effect the evolutionary theory is a part of a state run scientific GOD DENIED, , system of education.
it is maticulously interwoven into the fabric of the entire system of evil education into the very maths and whole reason to promote primate style of living. __________animal life_______ sick stuff.
Evil has been very smart over many hundreds of years , it's time to get out of him , his seal is 666, and you serve and pay 3 days labour per week to that evolutionary evil Satanic God.
Hear God and the calling to "Freedom of the spirit"
the bush campaign is just a reaction, and a counter against God and TRUE FREEDOM.
WE ARE AT WAR, AND THEY KNOW I WILL NOT NOT GO AWAY , even as many here, are on his side the' bush freedom' enjoy sex and screw the childrens minds, with butt stuff.
MY SWORD IS SHARPENED AND FURBISHED AND READY TO DO BATTLE, and their are many among the world ready to receive the same sword.
That is textbook Bible there folks, prove me wrong.
You can't, except to say "your nuts, your crazy get a life, just like they gov boys and phd temple lovers said to jesus."
peace for now
your friend Him,
DAvid2.
if "it's in God we trust" then why isn't "in God we do"
they have no god "they are the gods" and they lie, when they move their lips, ____that's OT and Jesus repeated.
They, the government are the rebels against God not the Holy Prophets, they killed the Prophets, they, hear that, Government , evil kings.
and some of you are back today and are ready to stand up and be counted as one for God,
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unschoolmom Kitten

Joined: 11 Oct 2005 Posts: 141 Location: Nova Scotia
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Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2005 9:47 am Post subject: |
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| So the highway IS made of dead rodents? |
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FFT Emperor of the Universe

Joined: 26 Mar 2005 Posts: 6337 Location: Memphis
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Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2005 12:57 pm Post subject: |
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| David2 wrote: | | theories that include expressions that can't BE PUT INTO PRACTICE today are automatically false. | A: Not true, and B: the Theory of Evolution can and has been put into practice.
| David2 wrote: | | evolution- for idiots only, | Ad hominem. Totally baseless, too. Evolutionary biologists are some of the best-educated people in the country.
| David2 wrote: | | come inside let me show you how the pear fell down and met the orange and made the prune and the carrot slept with the beet and had acouple of potatoes. ya right. | Ludicrously bad strawman of evolution.
| David2 wrote: | | when you can show me how the plant chain all evloved by proven one tomato became from a cucumber or porking some raspberry plant , then i might look and see if the goat does the sheep, and makes a sheepdog. | Again, ludicrously bad strawman of evolution.
| David2 wrote: | | E ___v __ I _____L ____________________UTION. | Wow! You can do wordplay! So can I! Cretinists and IDiots! Does that say absolutely anything about the subjects at hand? NO!
| David2 wrote: | | SICK PERVERTED DOCTRINE OF EVIL KINGS TO KEEP ALL MEN THINKING THEY ARE CARNAL BEINGS, NOT SPIRITUALLY MADE. | Unfounded, backed up only by dogma.
| David2 wrote: | | so if the soul is moving in and out of bodies, where does evolution stand on that.? | It doesn't.
| David2 wrote: | | the scientist is claiming that all bodies are created by other bodies denying the very existence of the spirit or soul any continuing condition. | Nope. The theory of evolution has no stance on the metaphysical.
| David2 wrote: | | Furthermore if you accept the evolution of bodies, you deny the soul as he self and accept the body as self | Unnecessarily dichotomous.
| David2 wrote: | | YOUR SHORT SIGHTED VISION OF THE PLANET AND UNIVERSE IS RESTRICTING YOU UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT IS ETERNAL, HAVING EXISTED BILLIONS AND BILLIONS OF YEARS AGO EVEN IN OTHER UNIVERSES ANS GALAXIES | Do you have any scriptural support for other universes and galaxies?
| David2 wrote: | | However, you can't imagine how much effect the evolutionary theory is a part of a state run scientific GOD DENIED, , system of education. | No. It is God neutral. That's what secular means.
| David2 wrote: | | it is maticulously interwoven into the fabric of the entire system of evil education into the very maths and whole reason to promote primate style of living. __________animal life_______ sick stuff. | Got any real reason to think this?
| David2 wrote: | | WE ARE AT WAR, AND THEY KNOW I WILL NOT NOT GO AWAY | So now we're back at this "I'm the messiah" business. Ridiculous.
| David2 wrote: | | MY SWORD IS SHARPENED AND FURBISHED AND READY TO DO BATTLE, and their are many among the world ready to receive the same sword. | Then why don't you do so? What's keeping you? You're only getting older.
| David2 wrote: | That is textbook Bible there folks, prove me wrong.
You can't, except to say "your nuts, your crazy get a life, just like they gov boys and phd temple lovers said to jesus." | I could prove you wrong by your inaction.
Also, please note that you did everything but answer my original question. _________________ When Science was in its crib, Religion tried to strangle it. When Science was in its infancy, Religion tried to abuse it. Now that Science is grown up, Religion wants to be in its good graces.
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HeKkLeR King Kong

Joined: 18 Aug 2003 Posts: 2280 Location: Europe
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Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2005 2:08 pm Post subject: |
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| FFT wrote: | | the Theory of Evolution can and has been put into practice. |
FFT, for amusement's sake, can you clarify what your statement means? Evolution has been put into practice? Is that not then manipulation of nature?
Do humans still evolve from things not human? If not, then what pray tell is the statute of limitations of evolution?  _________________ Peace
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FFT Emperor of the Universe

Joined: 26 Mar 2005 Posts: 6337 Location: Memphis
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Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2005 2:15 pm Post subject: |
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It has been put into practice, just like any other scientific theory.
Predictions are made.
News article one. | Quote: | | If Darwin was right, for example, then scientists should be able to perform a neat trick. Using a mathematical formula that emerges from evolutionary theory, they should be able to predict the number of harmful mutations in chimpanzee DNA by knowing the number of mutations in a different species' DNA and the two animals' population sizes. |
[url=http://wiki.cotch.net/index.php/Evolution_doesn't_make_predictions]EvoWiki on evolution predictions:[/url] | Quote: | 2 There are many predictions that can be extrapolated from the theory of evolution even if they are not explicitly stated by Darwin. Here are some examples of predictions that one could argue would be extrapolated from the theory of evolution.
* Species with high reproductive rates will have a better chance of surviving environmental change than species with low reproductive rates.
* Species from a common gene pool separated into group A and group B and isolated for generations over a longer period of time and exposed to different environmental conditions will eventually become unable to reproduce with members of the other group. |
| HeKkLeR wrote: | | Do humans still evolve from things not human? | Strawman. _________________ When Science was in its crib, Religion tried to strangle it. When Science was in its infancy, Religion tried to abuse it. Now that Science is grown up, Religion wants to be in its good graces.
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HeKkLeR King Kong

Joined: 18 Aug 2003 Posts: 2280 Location: Europe
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Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2005 2:25 pm Post subject: |
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| FFT wrote: | It has been put into practice, just like any other scientific theory.
Predictions are made. |
Is not evolution a natural thing that cannot be controlled by man?
| The American Heritage® Stedman's Medical Dictionary wrote: | ev·o·lu·tion (v-lshn, v-)
n.
1. A continuing process of change from one state or condition to another or from one form to another.
2. The theory that groups of organisms change with passage of time, mainly as a result of natural selection, so that descendants differ morphologically and physiologically from their ancestors. |
| I wrote: | | Do humans still evolve from things not human? |
| WordNet ® 2.0, © 2003 Princeton University wrote: | strawman
n
1: a person used as a cover for some questionable activity [syn: front man, front, figurehead, nominal head, straw man] 2: a weak or sham argument set up to be easily refuted [syn: straw man] 3: an effigy in the shape of a man to frighten birds away from seeds [syn: scarecrow, straw man, bird-scarer, scarer |
Please explain how asking if man still evolves from things that are not man is a strawman argument when the definition of evolution states that things continually change.
And even better yet, how about just answering the question?  _________________ Peace
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FFT Emperor of the Universe

Joined: 26 Mar 2005 Posts: 6337 Location: Memphis
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Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2005 3:46 pm Post subject: |
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| HeKkLeR wrote: | | Is not evolution a natural thing that cannot be controlled by man? | It is.
And I did answer your question. The theory of evolution makes predictions, and those predictions have borne true under scrutiny. Thus, it has been put into practice.
"Do humans still evolve from things not human?" is a strawman, because it is not part of what the theory of evolution predicts. If an ape gave birth to a human, it would disprove evolution, not prove it. _________________ When Science was in its crib, Religion tried to strangle it. When Science was in its infancy, Religion tried to abuse it. Now that Science is grown up, Religion wants to be in its good graces.
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HeKkLeR King Kong

Joined: 18 Aug 2003 Posts: 2280 Location: Europe
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Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2005 9:06 pm Post subject: |
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This entire thread had disappeared from the board on my screen. And it said that the last post to this forum board was January 1st, 1970.
Now that is strange...
Now FFT,
| you wrote: | | The theory of evolution makes predictions, and those predictions have borne true under scrutiny. Thus, it has been put into practice. |
Making predictions and observations is not putting something into practice. I thought you were better learned than that. Putting something into practice is an act of doing, not observance. _________________ Peace
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HeKkLeR King Kong

Joined: 18 Aug 2003 Posts: 2280 Location: Europe
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Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2005 9:14 pm Post subject: |
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It still says the Jan 1st, 1970 thing. A hacker, bug or constructed cover-up? _________________ Peace
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FFT Emperor of the Universe

Joined: 26 Mar 2005 Posts: 6337 Location: Memphis
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Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2005 10:50 pm Post subject: |
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| HeKkLeR wrote: | | Making predictions and observations is not putting something into practice. I thought you were better learned than that. Putting something into practice is an act of doing, not observance. | Uh huh.
Read this. | Carl Zimmer wrote: | | To improve their hunt for the function of new genes, bioinformaticists are building new programs. One of the newest, called SIFTER, was designed by a team of computer scientists and biologists at UC Berkeley. They outline some of their early results in the October issue of PLOS Computational Biology (open access paper here). SIFTER is different than previous programs in that it relies on a detailed understanding of the evolutionary history of a gene. As a result, it offers significantly better results. |
| Carl Zimmer wrote: | The SIFTER team first reconstructed the evolutionary tree of this gene family, calculating how all 128 genes are related to one other. The shows how an ancestral gene that existed in microbes billions of years ago was passed down to different lineages, duplicating and mutating along the way. The researchers then gave SIFTER the experimental results from just five of the 128 genes in the family. The program used this information to infer how the function of the genes evolved over time. That insight then allowed it to come up with hypotheses about what the other 123 genes in the family do.
Aside from the 5 genes whose function the researchers had given SIFTER, there are 28 with good experimental evidence. The scientists compared the real functions of these genes to SIFTER's guesses. It got 27 out of 28 right. | I'd call that putting the theory of evolution into practice.
| Carl Zimmer wrote: | | Those who claim to have a legitimate alternative to evolution might want to try to match SIFTER. They could take the basic principles of whatever they advocate and use them to come up with a mathematical method for comparing genes. No stealing any SIFTER code allowed--this has to be original work that doesn't borrow from evolutionary theory. |
_________________ When Science was in its crib, Religion tried to strangle it. When Science was in its infancy, Religion tried to abuse it. Now that Science is grown up, Religion wants to be in its good graces.
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HeKkLeR King Kong

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Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2005 11:35 pm Post subject: |
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| FFT wrote: | | Carl Zimmer wrote: |
The SIFTER team first reconstructed the evolutionary tree of this gene family, calculating how all 128 genes are related to one other. The shows how an ancestral gene that existed in microbes billions of years ago was passed down to different lineages, duplicating and mutating along the way. The researchers then gave SIFTER the experimental results from just five of the 128 genes in the family. The program used this information to infer how the function of the genes evolved over time. That insight then allowed it to come up with hypotheses about what the other 123 genes in the family do.
Aside from the 5 genes whose function the researchers had given SIFTER, there are 28 with good experimental evidence. The scientists compared the real functions of these genes to SIFTER's guesses. It got 27 out of 28 right. |
I'd call that putting the theory of evolution into practice. |
You can call it what you want, but it would still be a lie. The quotes that you left also verify that they were observations and theories only. Not practice. Evolution cannot be practiced, but monitored by hypothesis. _________________ Peace
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