Israel established as a Nation

golfjack · Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2005 6:51 am Post subject: Israel established as a Nation

Ezek. 37:21-22. The nation of Israel was divided into 2 kingdoms after the death of Solomon, and it was not sovereignly united as a nation until 1948. Let us not forget the fulfillment of this great Bible prophesy. Isarel becoming a nation was at the beginning of what might be called this generation. Remember that Jesus said that the generation which sees these things come to pass shall not pass away until they are all done (Mark 13:30). Luke 21:21, Again, events are happening so fast that we catch ourselves forgetting about the persecutions of the Jews in this century and centuries past. God is not finished with the Jewish People. They have suffered greatly for being God's chosen people, and God promised to graft them back into His plan (Rom. 11:11-32). This is another sign which will not be fufilled until the tribulation period. Remember the command to pray for the peace of Jerselem (Ps. 122:6).

May God bless, golfjack

david2 · Booted Joined: 29 Sep 2005 Posts: 81

This physical jerusalem thing is just speculation.
jews didn't accept messiah , yeshua, ie jesus. Today they are looking for the moshiach ben David, from one of their own. A matter a fact a good paortion on fixed on that return poosible on Oct 3. There is some movement in the constellations which is corroborating, some mathematical calculations concerning these times.
i had some correspondence but have since lost the contact.
but they too have some thing for the whole of Israel being the chosen ,.
they have little to no sentiment for christians - heathens, in their minds.

So , which leads me to question who do you think messiah come like, a jew, or christian, or neither?

peace out
David2

golfjack · Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2005 1:08 pm Post subject: reply

Israel was established as a nation again in 1948 according to the prophet Daniel. It was divided among all the nations. Now we see prophesy beiing fulfilled, as they are coming back to their land. I have heard that the Jews are accepting Christ at a rate of about 70 per week. Of course, some think that the Messiah will be their first coming, but in reality, it will be the second coming of Jesus Christ. By the way, I am making plans to go to Jerseulem next year with my preacher friend, and we will both be preacching an evangelistic message.

May God bless, golfjack

david2 · Booted Joined: 29 Sep 2005 Posts: 81

per chance are you or he jewish?

David2

golfjack · Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2005 2:54 pm Post subject: reply

Hi David, I am a male, and not a Jew, but I do have a passion for the lost, and a love for the Jews. I believe the Bible says in Ps. that we should always be a blessing to Israel. Our country has always helped the Jews.

May God bless, golfjack

Poet4Christ · Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2005 1:58 pm Post subject:

Amen Golf - I too have a great compasion for the Jews and find thier heritage amazing. I look to one day travel to Isreal and soak it all in. I pray that God will allow me to do so one day. And I agree with you about the blessing. If the US turns its back on the Isreali people it would be bad news for us I think.
God bless - Tim

golfjack · Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2005 4:13 pm Post subject: reply

Hi Tim, good for you. If you read Mark:11:23-24 it says you can have what you sayeth. Keep praying and I am sure that God will send you there. I worry for America too because now, there are some denominations that say that the Church replaces Israel, which is nonsense. In the end, I don't believe that America is in prophesy.

Nice to hear from you, Tim. May God bles your heart, Jack

golfjack · Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2005 4:16 pm Post subject: reply

I just noticed that you live in Oklahoma City. Have you ever been to Broken Arrow Ok. near Tulsa? This is where I received my Bible training.

May God bless, Jack

david2 · Booted Joined: 29 Sep 2005 Posts: 81

good day gents

i'm not looking to argue, why argue? why not just compromise? you have your opinion, i have mine. you live with your little red wagon, i will mine. i'll wave and and say' hi' or make sure to get the mail for you when you go on vacation, but please respect my opinion, and who i think God is.

if everybody lives like this, there is no need of change, 'as it is' so it goes.

But that's not what is written in a Book written by God through his ready writers the Holy Prophets, kept in tact over many years b/c He Himself said i have a promise for you.
consider, when you quote verses, i've said this elswehere perhaps another forum. When if see a verse quoted, inverably i have to read about 10 before and after, to actually see the mode and context of the way it was written, to know whether, it is a metaphor, symbolism , figure of speech or literally written. The Bible is not to be used like a rag to sweep up the floor, and say " see it's like this , it's that crystal clear, can you see what i mean" nor is to be used like a bunch of toys in your little red wagon. ie " here's a ball , catch, heres a frisbee, catch, here's a foofball, catch, see they are all balls and they are the same ___aren't they?
NO , THEY'RE NOT , i say ," you may play pitch and catch but each one has it's one shape and there are differences in both how to throw and catch them"

Ya that's true.

ok fine ______ similarily, ___ the way Ezekiel wrote, the time, place and circumstances, perehaps 700 years difference from when the apostles wrote or spoke. Hence, even though he was 'pitching for God' THE WORDS ie objects he threw had different shapes and the style he choose could have been entiriely different but still they were words.

The analogy i'm making is to explain not all expressions of thoughts can be transposed from one time to another, they do not necessarrily fit pefectly on top of each other. just like a small man standing in front of bigger man does not completely block the view of the man behind so you can't say there is one man standing there. Both men but not one.

Consider what an where you quoted from Jack, the famous ch 37 of Ezekiel, none the less. This is precicesly my point.

here is a word, ____EXTRAPOLATE
by definition L___ to polish, or refine___ to project into an UNKNOWN FIELD, for the sake of knowledge by drawing parralellisms with a field that is known, under the ASSUMPTION they correspond.

this is very important is the practice of men of the cloth who posture as men who have so called " education" of are well rehearsed in presenting a view point of being knowlegeable, yet all the while the truth is not in them. Whether they were similarly blinded or trained to repeat, regardless they practice a technique that has worked over centuries and people, have fallen to believe lies.
Not only in religion, but in history as well. It is the way of deceivers, and it is well established.
These are the subtle , but intricate workings of the devil. He works in darkness, and he is not seen.

i will not go into all the details as to why your verse (s) choosen here are not to be taken literally just like the first 12 verses of ch 37 are not to be taken literally BUT THEY HAVE, used by the pulpit and even FOLLYWOOD in movies, for christs sake. lol,

Go back to ch 36 and read with understanding and continuity. Even there if you play extrapolation games with a verse and the audience is in respect b/c you have a PHD then you can drag their minds around town and show them a real good time and then send them on their way as happy tourists. see did you enjoy your tour, i showed you all the highlights from Tulsa went southeast to the suburb Broken Arrow and we even too side trip to Arkansas to vist with " arnold murray" wasn't he nice in his warehouse church, and got to shake his hand while going out the door, bin there, jack, done that!!!
But that kind of preaching is old hat, and you know something THE JEWS, do it with as much precision and effect to convince and control their own with words in LITERAL FASHION.

It's all coming down to the wire Jack, no more games the Books will be opened with Truth and discernment will be there.

Read into ch 38: 4 And i will turn thee back, and PUT HOOKS INTO THY JAWS, and i will bring the forth and all thy army.
How do you plan to see that fulfilled? Are the christians,ARE YOU going to do the inserting of the hook.

DON'T BE SILLY! Well if you want to play games of extrapolation, and literalisms then you will certainly be made to look like a fool.

God does not intend for His children to look like fools, His chosen, His jews, His Israelites, His circumcised, His lovers, His army, His Hosts, His saints , His angels, His elect will be know by " the new heart, new spirit, and i will put a new spirit in you" 36 :27.

29 " and i will also save you from your uncleanliness, and i will call for the corn and will increase it and lay no famine on you."
and 31 " then shall ye remember your own evil ways and your doings that were not good,......... SHALL IT ALL BE LITERALISM,?

Hear this, REV CHAPTERS 2 & 3 are a calling to the flock. This is my shout.
Look to the family ye belong, the church you belong " i know thy works" and where thou dwellest,, even ie , where SAtan's seat is......."REV 2 : 13, and 14 " But i have a few things against thee>>..........
16 " and 17" he that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit, saith unto the churches.

Can you hear my SHOUT, ? AS written in Ezekiel so is it written in Revelation. hear john, and hear God using the hand of the ready writer John in the Holy Spirit, putting together a mystery only one can reveal in Truth. THAT IS GOD.

Peace and keep smiling ,
when i write, take nothing personal for i address all who read.

in Him, taken, and forever used
David2

david2 · Booted Joined: 29 Sep 2005 Posts: 81

good day gents

i'm not looking to argue, why argue? why not just compromise? you have your opinion, i have mine. you live with your little red wagon, i will mine. i'll wave and and say' hi' or make sure to get the mail for you when you go on vacation, but please respect my opinion, and who i think God is.

if everybody lives like this, there is no need of change, 'as it is' so it goes.

But that's not what is written in a Book written by God through his ready writers the Holy Prophets, kept in tact over many years b/c He Himself said i have a promise for you.
consider, when you quote verses, i've said this elswehere perhaps another forum. When if see a verse quoted, inverably i have to read about 10 before and after, to actually see the mode and context of the way it was written, to know whether, it is a metaphor, symbolism , figure of speech or literally written. The Bible is not to be used like a rag to sweep up the floor, and say " see it's like this , it's that crystal clear, can you see what i mean" nor is to be used like a bunch of toys in your little red wagon. ie " here's a ball , catch, heres a frisbee, catch, here's a foofball, catch, see they are all balls and they are the same ___aren't they?
NO , THEY'RE NOT , i say ," you may play pitch and catch but each one has it's one shape and there are differences in both how to throw and catch them"

Ya that's true.

ok fine ______ similarily, ___ the way Ezekiel wrote, the time, place and circumstances, perehaps 700 years difference from when the apostles wrote or spoke. Hence, even though he was 'pitching for God' THE WORDS ie objects he threw had different shapes and the style he choose could have been entiriely different but still they were words.

The analogy i'm making is to explain not all expressions of thoughts can be transposed from one time to another, they do not necessarrily fit pefectly on top of each other. just like a small man standing in front of bigger man does not completely block the view of the man behind so you can't say there is one man standing there. Both men but not one.

Consider what an where you quoted from Jack, the famous ch 37 of Ezekiel, none the less. This is precicesly my point.

here is a word, ____EXTRAPOLATE
by definition L___ to polish, or refine___ to project into an UNKNOWN FIELD, for the sake of knowledge by drawing parralellisms with a field that is known, under the ASSUMPTION they correspond.

this is very important is the practice of men of the cloth who posture as men who have so called " education" of are well rehearsed in presenting a view point of being knowlegeable, yet all the while the truth is not in them. Whether they were similarly blinded or trained to repeat, regardless they practice a technique that has worked over centuries and people, have fallen to believe lies.
Not only in religion, but in history as well. It is the way of deceivers, and it is well established.
These are the subtle , but intricate workings of the devil. He works in darkness, and he is not seen.

i will not go into all the details as to why your verse (s) choosen here are not to be taken literally just like the first 12 verses of ch 37 are not to be taken literally BUT THEY HAVE, used by the pulpit and even FOLLYWOOD in movies, for christs sake. lol,

Go back to ch 36 and read with understanding and continuity. Even there if you play extrapolation games with a verse and the audience is in respect b/c you have a PHD then you can drag their minds around town and show them a real good time and then send them on their way as happy tourists. see did you enjoy your tour, i showed you all the highlights from Tulsa went southeast to the suburb Broken Arrow and we even too side trip to Arkansas to vist with " arnold murray" wasn't he nice in his warehouse church, and got to shake his hand while going out the door, bin there, jack, done that!!!
But that kind of preaching is old hat, and you know something THE JEWS, do it with as much precision and effect to convince and control their own with words in LITERAL FASHION.

It's all coming down to the wire Jack, no more games the Books will be opened with Truth and discernment will be there.

Read into ch 38: 4 And i will turn thee back, and PUT HOOKS INTO THY JAWS, and i will bring the forth and all thy army.
How do you plan to see that fulfilled? Are the christians,ARE YOU going to do the inserting of the hook.

DON'T BE SILLY! Well if you want to play games of extrapolation, and literalisms then you will certainly be made to look like a fool.

God does not intend for His children to look like fools, His chosen, His jews, His Israelites, His circumcised, His lovers, His army, His Hosts, His saints , His angels, His elect will be know by " the new heart, new spirit, and i will put a new spirit in you" 36 :27.

29 " and i will also save you from your uncleanliness, and i will call for the corn and will increase it and lay no famine on you."
and 31 " then shall ye remember your own evil ways and your doings that were not good,......... SHALL IT ALL BE LITERALISM,?

Hear this, REV CHAPTERS 2 & 3 are a calling to the flock. This is my shout.
Look to the family ye belong, the church you belong " i know thy works" and where thou dwellest,, even ie , where SAtan's seat is......."REV 2 : 13, and 14 " But i have a few things against thee>>..........
16 " and 17" he that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit, saith unto the churches.

Can you hear my SHOUT, ? AS written in Ezekiel so is it written in Revelation. hear john, and hear God using the hand of the ready writer John in the Holy Spirit, putting together a mystery only one can reveal in Truth. THAT IS GOD.

Peace and keep smiling ,
when i write, take nothing personal for i address all who read.

in Him, taken, and forever used
David2