What are you going to say?

FFT · Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2005 6:42 pm Post subject: What are you going to say?

Bear with me here, all of you who expect the end times to occur within your lifetimes:

What are you planning on telling your children, when you're wrong? What are you going to tell them, to expect the end of times within their lifetime? Is this not exactly what your parents, your pastors, your religious teachers have done to you? When does it* end?

People have always expected the end of times to occur within their lifetimes, since the first doomsayer spoke. It's even in the New Testament, Jesus states that the end times will be upon the world before the current generation passes on. It didn't happen. Deuteronomy (or Isaiah?) teaches that prophets whose prophecies do not occur should not be feared, should not be considered honest teachers of the Word of God.

You've got your numerologists, which "find" "evidence" that the end of times is a specific date. What do these people do when they turn out to be wrong? When do they realize that it simply isn't going to happen? What do they tell their children?

*When I say "it," I do not refer to the world, I refer to the dishonesty that is end times thinking.
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FFT · Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2005 10:00 pm Post subject:

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david2 · Booted Joined: 29 Sep 2005 Posts: 81

good am,
End-times, ho hum, a type of end times was present even during the time that jesus was present. End-times neve instills a complete devastation, God has confirmed He would not bring upon man that kind of thing.However when the signs of the exprssions of the prophets are manifested then many are ready to jum and say ent -times. We have weitnesses many, of those , jehovahs, moroms and so on and current day jesus imitators.
Consider God's Word to be "" infalliible"" hence there must be some thing within the Text or the body of the Text which confirms Him, otherwise what is the point , we have all been lied to and moral accounts by the holy prophets and their prophetic words may all well be good fire material.
but it's not to be so, God has stetegically set up and planned a beautiful course of action that inevitably comes to light.

And guess what???? THESE ARE THE DAYS!!!! YOU'VE HEARD IT AGAIN.

now how do we know, what does the Testiment confirm or conclude?
Go directly to Rev 19 : 12 and there is you answer, "NOBODY , knew his name, except he himslef.
What does that say?
answer the first risen from the dead shall rise again in the latterdays and with a shout declare who he is "messiah". Now many have tried and said they were him, but could they prove it using the Text like Jesus did when he rose from the dead , after 3 days and opened to them the Text, and confirmed where it was written.
no none why ? b/c they were imposters.

Now , you should know the Book of Revelation is filled with numbers, and the numbers have corrresponding characters to them .
3, 4, 7, 12, 666, 144,000. are there any more
starting backwards
144,000, the bride and those who follow jesus
666, the Devil or Satan as written , it's a mystery and wisdom.
12 new jeresalem read ch 21
7 God, and it's the 7th day the lords day the sabbath, 7 represents also comlpete
4 foursquare, ie the four sides that represent 'the world' or from all four corners of the world will the bride come , to the foursquare city of David. or all people.
3 represents a confirmation, repeated three times concludes sanctioned,or in God and required or specific to confirm and event or place or thing. related to the son or God

SO WHO'S NUMBER IS MISSING? __NOBODY 'S__ GUESS AGAIN ___ MESSIAH_____ /

Why is not so obvious? B/c know one knows his name but him. and as it should be he confirms his being through his cordinates.___ ie ID.

Now in order to make this appear to be more than just a 'one number thing,' there has to be, and is, many correlations to his number , both in the Book and corresponding numbers in the physcial world so there is no mistake of who he is, just like there is no mistake to the number correlations i gave you above, and more can be added from other scripture.

Does this help or are you in disagreement?
How else can the son prove who he is unless , you be stuck in the "pie in the sky theory" with santa and his sleigh.?

he comes as a thief in the night, he's present but he is not recognized, kinda like Jesus was for 30 years, how about Moses for 80 years. ok.
Consider Rev ch 5 , he is present in the flesh amongst men, that is not pie in the sky , thoughsomeof you might like to read into Rev 4:1,2 that it was in the sky , making a literal expression out of a figure of speach. Chapter 4 is the set up for 5 which confirms that he has the seven seals with him, and it was unto him a book that no one could understand but he himself.An hey sung a new song, with is OT prophecy but that does not imply a change of covenants but a change of times hence end -times and the gather saints are anxiously waiting in faith his confirmation and arrival.

So heed the red lettet type in chapters 2 & 3 and hear the set up, you have tim to prepare your hearts, for god and his son knows the hearts b/c the son weilds the two edged sword. Heb 4 : 12 "dividing the soul and spirit, knowing the intent of the hearts of all men".
So prepare yourself, it is not doom and gloom but 'joy and happiness' and the wonders and majesty of God and His good children come to realize the Promise " on earth as it is in heaven". This is the true prosperity boldly written and spoken of, in both Testaments.
United the sons stand and divided they fall.

peace ,
my friends
David2

James1-26 · Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2005 5:58 am Post subject:

You don't tell your children that Jesus is coming in their lifetime, you tell them to live as though he could come any moment.
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david2 · Booted Joined: 29 Sep 2005 Posts: 81

Who's number is missing?
patiently waiting,
David2

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david2 · Booted Joined: 29 Sep 2005 Posts: 81

number??????????????????????? who 's number?

FFT · Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2005 4:08 pm Post subject:

david2 · Booted Joined: 29 Sep 2005 Posts: 81

FFT,
first read my post and consider the point.
Are you a preterist?
you appear to be stuck on literal expression of this gerneration. and if so do you read the entire Bible with literal eyes?

Fake · Tiger Joined: 03 May 2003 Posts: 862

David,

FFT, like me, do not subscribe to the christian faith.
I would think, he like me would think that if you're going to believe the bible, you've got to believe what it says.

Fake
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FFT · Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2005 7:21 am Post subject:

Basically, there's no doubt in my mind that much of what is in the bible was intended to be metaphorical. However, Jesus himself told the people to expect the end of times before their generation passed away. That doesn't leave much room for interpretation.

I did some research on preterism. It's useless post hoc reasoning. "The end of times didn't occur like it seems like he said it would, therefore that's not how he meant it."

/edit: wrong fallacy
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david2 · Booted Joined: 29 Sep 2005 Posts: 81

good am their fellas
so if you don't subscribe to christian faiths, then what are you doing hanging on this end times channel?
This title implies " Jesus's return", so are you just liking wasting time. ok are you of the judaism background, wherein you await David?
or even if you thought that all was accomplished in 70 AD, then this would seem an unlikely channel to be watching. what to speak of participating on. ( note channel, like live blind tv, ha, ha)

Did you not like my post regarding the numbers?
no one has said a word.
no one ever thought about that yet?
And if you think it's preposterous then consider another method.
if you don't accept Christian faith, then was Jesus a myth, or just some loose cannon walking the streets, that now 2 billion + people are in major delusions , perhaps it could be as high as 5 billion when you consider most other religions do accept he was there and christianty, become a practice of of accepting Jesus as some kind of prophet , avatar, holy person , or just cool guy.
so again there is this Book and everything points to this final chapter. Jesus spends a good portion of the 'red letter type', speaking about his imminent return, so obviously since it's a major part of the words he spoke, and would do read that it's somewhat criptic in it's own right. I 'm not too sure you guys have spent enough time reading the OT to even be sure that your not just blowing smoke, about this christian thing, b/c if have read with any amount of seriousness, you can determine that John's writings are ALL BASED on the OT PROPHETIC writings.

So either admit your not well read or that you are not convinced b/c you haven't decided you want to be or whatever the case.

but to say you don't ascribe to christain faith , well NEITHER DO I, but that doesn't prevent me from understanding that Revelation is a real account of prophetic writings about messiah.

If you read the Text even Jesus was well aware that christian faith would come and say " they come in his name , but don't believe them", so I DON'T BELIEVE HIM but i didn't have to hear it from him it's written in the OT by other prophets.

Revelation skips over the NT, though it appears to be in that part of the Book, it's unto it's own self at another. time.

Hope this helps you , and others who are trying to superimpose Jesus, into some other time frame.

Get back to my post regarding numbers, start thinking about what i typed and consider the point i made.

God is much smarter than you could even IMAGINE.
That 's why someone made '~~~~~no heaven'~~~~~ a real concept.

This is His MOVIE, HIS DIRECTION , HIS PRODUCTION, AND THE ACTORS, HE PICKS AND CHOOSES and then he sit's back and watches the play.
When you see the suns perfect and all beautiful light projecting from behind the clouds, what 's it look like, what can it be compared to? ok get it!
IMAGINE, who sit's behing that projector. You know when you are in a theatre and those beams of light above your head, is the source of what your looking at, and you can conclude that the directors have allready done their job, and it's time to watch the show, well similarily when you see that beam of light from behind the clouds over your head or in front of you , KNOW that the director has allready done his work. He knows , past present and future. It's just a MAJOR PRODUCTION. Now get yourself a ticket and get into the show.

It's all happening brother, right in front of your eyes.

If you are written in the Book of life , you belong to a particular number. If not you belong to a particular number.

It's all a numbers game.
And what 's your number, you have several don't you,? that's how you are IDENTIFIED, here are earth as it is in heaven , but then again you shall receive a new name as well.

Now i hope you won't say ____ what are you talking about?____ David2

peace
love and peace
DAvid2

PS by the way i have John Lennon's 4 pce IMAGINE set available to purchase, it's number is 121/ 150, and 5 or 6 other prints of his.
just thought i'd throw that up since it's Johns 25th 'deathday' this october.

Do you know when your deathday was? Jesus said "let the dead bury the dead". If you be born in sin, and sinners are as good as dead, what to speak of those whose don't accept Jesus, u2, then do you celebrate your deathday once a year?

For those who are born again, the second death Rev 20 :6 , has no effect, curiously interesting perspective isn't it?

oh sorry to quote revelation, since you don't accept Jesus , i guess you don't open the Book , do you, wouldn't make much sense would it?

Do yo go to the store and buy 6 mangoes that you don't like and bring them home and just stare at them, pass them by everyday, and then tell people " i hate mangoes, i just buy them to look at!" lol

good am a
and welcome
to God's World
Your host,
David2

MoJo · Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2005 7:18 am Post subject:

How about nine, david; the mark of the beast.

Very Happy

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