8th beast

MoJo · Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2005 6:24 pm Post subject: 8th beast

revived babylonian empire.

I feel like being cryptic tonight. Wink

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theseldomscene · Banned Joined: 17 Mar 2005 Posts: 7817

where are you going with this? i want to go. i'll be good.

Stokey · Ferret Joined: 12 Apr 2005 Posts: 122

A "revived Babylon" contradicts Isaiah 13:19, 20. This "eighth king" destroys "Babylon the Great."--Revelation 17:5, 8, 11, 16, 17.

Regards,

Stokey.

HeKkLeR · Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2005 9:57 pm Post subject:

MoJo · Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2005 7:16 am Post subject:

ok, slight revision. Babylon the great sits on persia - mede.

Here are the eight - Babylon, Persia-Mede, Greece, Rome, God's kingdom, Rome, Greece, Persia-Mede with Babylon the Great. The statue in Daniel 2 works down before Christ then back up to the head after Christ.

4 sets of twins meaning twice except for God's kingdom which is one. The eighth is when the world is divided into east and west - two arms. Remember the 7th only lasts a short time.

God's kingdom - 5th.

genesis 47:26 "And Joseph made t a law over the land of Egypt unto this day, that Pharaoh should have the fifth part; except the land of the priests only, which became not Pharaoh's."

Beast - image of beast = twins. Twins, Jacob and Esau, Pharez and Zarah. Breach = breached birth, feet come out first. Feet are the foundation. Blessed are the feet.

this is a tremendous amount of information suddenly.

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MoJo · Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2005 7:31 am Post subject:

BTW, this is really new to me, so I might make some errors within the framework. patience. Very Happy

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Stokey · Ferret Joined: 12 Apr 2005 Posts: 122

Hi, Mojo:

This is an interesting subject!

Daniel 2:38 says the Babylonian world empire is "the head of gold." This would be from 607 BCE to 539 BCE. (See Daniel 7:1-4.)

Verse 39 mentions "another kingdom inferior to you." This is the Medo-Persian world empire. (See Daniel 5:30, 31; 7:5.)

Verses 39 then mentions "a third kingdom of bronze, which shall rule over all the earth." This the Greek world empire beginning with Alexander the Great and continuing under 4 then 2 of his generals. (See Daniel 7:6; 8:5-8, 20-22; 11:1-5.) This is from 331 BCE to 30 BCE.

Verse 40 mentions "a fourth kingdom, strong as iron, because iron breaks to pieces and shatters all things; and like iron which crushes, it shall break and crush all these." This is the Roman empire from 30 BCE. (Daniel 7:7, 8; compare Daniel 11:20-22 with Luke 2:1-3.)

Notice the "ten horns." (Daniel 7:20-22, 24, 25; 8:9-12) From amongst them there came up "another horn, a little one, before which three of the first horns were plucked up by the roots." This eventually became the British empire. It started as a Roman colony in 55 BCE (Britannia). Then in 1588 it defeated the Spanish, then the Dutch, then the French, so that in 1763 it became the seventh world empire, which became dual in 1917 when joined by its former colonies of America.

Daniel 11:27 to the end, describes what would happen leading up to 1914, "the appointed time," and beyond to the great tribulation mentioned in Daniel 12:1.--Daniel 4:16, 17; 7:25; Luke 21:20-24; Revelation 12:6, 10, 14.

In Revelation 17:10 we have mention of seven mountains or "kings" forming Satan's global political system. (Revelation 13:1, 2, 7) These are Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia, Greece, Rome, Britain/America, the 7th, and finally the "eighth king" which is an image or a reflection of the seven, the United Nations.

Regards,

Stokey.

MoJo · Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2005 5:44 pm Post subject:

stokey, what you have just presented or some similar version is what has typically been believed. However, the status quo, so to speak, has too many large gaps and too much room for a variety of views in interpretation. In order to understand these prophecies and visions, first God must open them up to us, secondly, they must then be supportable by other scripture and thirdly, in order for the scriptures to say "and then they will know I am the Lord", they must be recognizable as fulfilled prophecies.

theseldomscene · Banned Joined: 17 Mar 2005 Posts: 7817

dan.2 the great image? in four parts. each part made a different kingdom. but in a prophetic vision, all were in one statue. the fifth(GOD'S) breaks to pieces and consumes all the other 4 kingdoms that made up the image. it was set up in the days of those kings.

Stokey · Ferret Joined: 12 Apr 2005 Posts: 122

Mojo:

Daniel 8:17 and 12:4, 8-10 describes when and to whom God reveals these prophecies in Daniel. We read:

"[The angel] said to me [Daniel], "understand that the vision refers to the time of the end."

"But you, Daniel, keep these words secret and seal the book until the time of the end. Many will roam about, and knowledge will increase. Go on your way, Daniel, for the words are secret and sealed until the time of the end. Many will be purified, cleansed, and refined, but the wicked will act wickedly; none of the wicked will understand, but the wise will understand."

Only those that are obedient to God's word and only after 1914, the "appointed time of the end," will the prophecies be understood! We have to "roam about" in the scriptures, and our knowledge will increase. Have you thought, Mojo, that God has and is already revealing them? Just because you may not personally understand them doesn't mean no one else can, does it?

Regards,

Stokey.

Zathrus · Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2005 5:07 am Post subject:

OK, someone brought up Daniel's dream in Daniel 7. Here's something really fascinating that was pointed out to me:

Rev 13:5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

Dan 7:8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.

And compare these verse:

Rev 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

Dan 7:21 I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;

The little horn that Daniel sees later becomes the beast that John sees. The little horn/beast comes from the 4th beast in Daniel's dream. Any ideas?

MoJo · Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2005 1:01 pm Post subject:

Stokey, would you be willing to start a new thread to prove the 1914 date with solid scripture?

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MoJo · Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2005 1:54 pm Post subject:

it's hard to know where to start because there is so much to discuss, but let's start with the feet of the statue. Jim, you seem to be amenable to the idea that the feet depict God's kingdom.

The story of Judah and Tamar and the birth of twins is important to this. In the line of Jesus, Pharez means breach. Zarah should have been born first. This is in reference to Israel's breach of the covenant. When used in reference to a birth, breached means the feet come out first.

In regards to the statue then, the first twin (Israel) is born head first and the second twin (Christians), feet first. (Jacob and Esau same theme) The stone hits the feet of the statue. As we know, this stone is Jesus and that the legs are Rome. This hitting of the feet took place during the kingdom of Rome and some time during Jesus' life.

Jesus is the foundation stone, therefore something is built on that foundation. If the feet depict God's kindgom and the foundation, and this entire statue sits on the feet, then the statue must depict both the kingdoms before Christ and the kingdoms after. Remembering the concept of twins, we then have 4 kingdoms before God's kingdom (the feet) and four kingdoms after God's kingdom. remember Revelation says at the time of writing is the 6th. We understand this to be Rome, but how can Rome be both 4 & 6 unless we are moving back up the statue?

Let's take this slow and discuss first the identification of the feet. Daniel says that in the days of these kings, God will set up his kingdom. So this took a period of time which started with Babylon right thru till Rome. The stone brake in pieces all of the statue including the feet.

matt:21:43: Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
44: And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.
45: And when the chief priests and Pharisees had heard his parables, they perceived that he spake of them.

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Nobby · Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2005 1:57 pm Post subject:

Stokey, Do you believe that Jesus returned in 1914 ? Confused or disgusted

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MoJo · Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2005 2:00 pm Post subject:

Nobby, I'ved asked stokey if he would be willing to have a different thread on 1914 so this one won't get bogged down with another subject.
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