Declaration of Injustice

Van · Posted: Fri Nov 15, 2002 3:32 pm Post subject: Declaration of Injustice

“When in the course of human events, it becomes necessary….” Do you recognize the line? It is the opening line from Thomas Jefferson’s Declaration of Independence. Mr. Jefferson thought it was necessary to dissolve the political bands between the Colonies and Great Britain; and declare the causes that impelled the dissolution. He said these truths are self-evident; that all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. He went on to say that when any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, then it was the right of the people to abolish it.

Abortion is destructive to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Only a slick lawyer would concoct an argument, founded on the twin pillars of confusion and deception, which says babies are not alive from conception to viability. At conception, babies are fully human and at eight weeks, with brain wave activity and a little beating heart, they are as demonstrably alive as any human. Only despots would command that the people are not at liberty to vote on the right to life. And no one can say they believe that a healthy baby’s pursuit of happiness is not cut short by abortion.

But in America, our legislatures are blocked from enacting laws that are necessary for the good of babies.

In America, our government has launched a full-scale invasion on our right to life.

In America, our government has obstructed justice for the pre-born.

In America, our government has erected a multitude of new rules and sent swarms of officers to harass those that protest killing innocent children.

In America, our legislature’s laws have been overturned, and the Supreme Court has declared themselves invested with the authority to legislate abortion rights in spite of the ninth and tenth amendments.

At every stage of these oppressions our people have petitioned for redress and have been answered with repeated oppression. The government has been deaf to the voice of justice.

We, therefore, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world, for the rectitude of our intentions do declare that the Supreme Court has made a mockery of American justice, liberty and independence. With firm reliance on Divine Providence, we look forward to the day when “created equal” means something to the “Justices” of this land and when Constitutional protection for those “born” of American parents, regardless of location is likewise established for those conceived by American parents, regardless of location.

orrion · Posted: Sun Dec 15, 2002 5:37 am Post subject: Declaration of Injustice

One of the Justices (Rehnquist)?? Issued a special statement later on after the decision was made, saying they basically made a mistake and that Roe V Wade was opening up a can of worms.

Christians need to take the country back by not only getting on their knees, but by getting out and voting OUT anti-biblical people and policies and fight over this in the courts with all the zeal that those people used to get them instituted in the first place. I haven't seen that happen yet. Pewhugging for Divine Intervention we have got to grow out of. Not getting "down and dirty" is costing us the country.

We are also dealing with people here that neither here nor see nor have any understanding of spiritual things. They are blind leading the blind. It doesn't matter how smart they think they are.

God decided to talk to me about this one day, and this is what he said:

I asked "Lord, how can I help stop abortion? How can I leave absolutely no doubt in anyone that abortion is really murder?"

He said "Go get a dictionary."

I said "Huh? How can a dictionary stop abortion, I don't understand"

He said "Exactly. You don't understand. Get the dictionary."

So, trying not to make him mad at me, I went to the Public Library because I didn't have one.

He said "Look up the word life."

I said "Well, Lord, looks like life simply means according to this 'the period of time between birth and death."

Then he said "Look up the word kill."

I said "Well, er, ok, it says here that it means to 'deprive of life."

He said "Now put the definition fo the first word in place of the word life in the definition for the second."

So I did like the humble servant is supposed to hoping this wasn't gonna be a waste of time.

I said "Well, I guess that to kill then would mean to "deprive of the period of time between birth and death."

He said "Yes!"

I said "Uh, okay I'll take your word for it."

He said "If you did read my word we wouldn't be having this conversation, you'd already know how I feel about it. But, now you know"

I said "Sorry, didn't mean to offend you. Forgive me please"

He said "Ha Ha Ha, it's ok. You can't help it. You are forgiven."

I said "Thank you."

He said "You are welcome. By the way, when you talk to people also tell them this-"

"I have gazed upon your nation and with it's sin find it wanting. As I have said before, if you seek me, turn from your ways to mine, then I will hear you and forgive you and heal your land. You now live in a land where those in power do not even know the meanings of the words they speak and write, and you still let them wield power while having the means at your disposal to rid yourselves of them. In your apathy, you are as much accountable over this as they are. Rise up! Take charge! Reclaim what was given you from on high. Fear not, I am with you and you shall prevail."

That's what he said to say, so there you have it.

Van · Posted: Sun Dec 15, 2002 7:30 am Post subject: Declaration of Injustice

I agree that birth control by abortion is evil but I think John near the end of Revelation indicated that the book was closed and no one is inspired to add to the book. People with the gift of prophesy today are speakers of truth, they are not false teachers of the Word. Since if "God" speaks to you in a way that differs from His inspired word, you know it is from darkness, beware when "God" speaks to you in a way that advocates action inconsistent with His word such as the wisdom of men. Seek wisdom in the Word and with others who study the Word.

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Magnum PI · Posted: Fri Jan 17, 2003 10:03 pm Post subject: Declaration of Injustice

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“When in the course of human events, it becomes necessary….” Do you recognize the line?

Yeah, so!?! This has absolutely nothing to do with the philosophical, legal, biological, physiological and/or psychological ramifications involved in the abortion debate.

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Abortion is destructive to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

And forcing a woman (regardless of age and/or circumstance) to carry an unwanted pregnancy to term isn't!!!!??!!!!

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Only a slick lawyer would concoct an argument, founded on the twin pillars of confusion and deception, which says babies are not alive from conception to viability.

Your hasty conclusion (logical fallacy) is based on two false premises. The first one being that a zygote/blastocyst/embryo biologically, physiologically and psychologically is not a "baby." The second, no one is arguing it isn't alive. The zygote meets the basic biological criteria of 'life.'

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At conception, babies are fully human

Again, a zygote is not a "baby." It is a one-celled biological organism of human origin, it is not a "baby."

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Only despots would command that the people are not at liberty to vote on the right to life.

And only an ignoramus would argue that a zygote is a fully biologically, physiologically and psychologically developed human being.

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But in America, our legislatures are blocked from enacting laws that are necessary for the good of babies.

That's right, screw the women who have to go through the trauma of carrying them to term! Just throw their rights and their life out the window just so a 'potential' human being can have a chance at life. That is, of course, if it isn't spontaneously aborted by the woman's body for one reason or another...then it's back to the drawing board, right!

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In America, our government has launched a full-scale invasion on our right to life.

This is simply unsubstantiated paranoid abortion-activist rhetorical nonesense!

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In America, our government has obstructed justice for the pre-born.

Please...you obviously don't even understand the legality of the case(s) surrounding abortion let alone individual rights.

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In America, our government has erected a multitude of new rules and sent swarms of officers to harass those that protest killing innocent children.

Uh, I think you have that the other way around there bub! It's the fanatics that are harassing the people seeking help, information and education not the other way around. The police are there to protect their rights and ensure they get the assistance they need in making an informed decision. Not to mention keeping them safe from the moron's taking sniper practice and grenade tosses at the people, doctors and nurses coming and going from a clinic.

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In America, our legislature’s laws have been overturned, and the Supreme Court has declared themselves invested with the authority to legislate abortion rights in spite of the ninth and tenth amendments.

It's irritating to hear (read) others try to speak intelligently about things they clearly have little to no comprehension of.

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At every stage of these oppressions our people have petitioned for redress and have been answered with repeated oppression. The government has been deaf to the voice of justice.

More political paranoia.

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“created equal”

You don't even know what it means.

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...of American parents... regardless of location...those conceived by American parents, regardless of location.

You're such a hypocrite!

Have a nice day!
MPI

Nobby · Posted: Sat Jan 18, 2003 12:50 pm Post subject: Declaration of Injustice

Hi Mag,
I see you still remember one of your favorite words!

Where you been? You haven't posted here in a while. I here the Admin. has put you on the other side of the fence & made you a moderater? Now you get to control arguments that flame and get out of hand!

"lol"
Nobby

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Magnum PI · Posted: Sat Jan 18, 2003 2:07 pm Post subject: Declaration of Injustice

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Hi Mag,
I see you still remember one of your favorite words!

How do you know it's one of my favorite words Nobby?

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Where you been? You haven't posted here in a while.

Looking for work, catching up on things around the house and fighting with my old computer that ultimately crashed on me and having to buy a new one (with money I don't have) in order to get up and running. I've spent the last two days getting the new one up to speed and all morning working on my resume. Still have lots of work to do...so I usually just check in and only post when it is prudent that I do so.

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I here the Admin. has put you on the other side of the fence & made you a moderater?

Not in this forum, but at Prochoicetalk.com I am and have been for several months.

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Now you get to control arguments that flame and get out of hand! "lol"

Yeah... "lol"

MPI

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Nobby · Posted: Sat Jan 18, 2003 7:28 pm Post subject: Declaration of Injustice

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How do you know it's one of my favorite words Nobby?

I've heard you use it a time or to. "lol"

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Looking for work, catching up on things around the house

Sorry you're out of work,that's not good.
It's hard enough to make ends meet, when you have work. What kind of work do you do?
Just being nosey!

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and fighting with my old computer that ultimately crashed on me and having to buy a new one (with money I don't have)

Yea mine crashed abought 3 months ago but the HD seemed to be alright, I was able to
format it, & reload every thing that I was able to save. Hope you have good luck with your new one.

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Not in this forum, but at Prochoicetalk.com I am and have been for several months.

Yes I've been overthere,compared to that one, this one is very mild!
I'm glad we had this talk,
Cheers
Nobby

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Da Blonde Bombshell · Posted: Sat Feb 01, 2003 11:56 pm Post subject: Declaration of Injustice

Most Christians are prayerfully pro-choice.

Interestingly, research on women who obtain abortions indicated 20% identify themselves as evangelical Christians.

Most pro-choice people, like our opponents on this issue, would prefer there be no abortions. However, prior to it being legalized in the United States in the 1960s and 1970s there were approximately 3/4 million abortions performed in this country per year. To return to those perilous times would be a grave mistake.

The best solution is for abortion to be a private matter between a woman and her medical providers.

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dole · Tadpole Joined: 02 Feb 2003 Posts: 27

It is sad that women have unwanted babies. In a perfect world, women would not get raped or have teen pregnancies and such. But this is not a perfect world. But saying that it is okay to abort an unwanted pregnancy to save a woman the "trauma of carrying them [babies] to term" is immoral in my opinion. Everyone alive was once a zygote. Read Exodus 21:22-24. I'm not discussing whether eye for an eye is an okay mentality, I'm just pointing out that God considers a pregnant woman losing her "zygote" as death or loss of a life. I don't think there is room for opinion. When a baby is aborted, it is denied the right to life. Exodus doesn't say if a woman loses her wanted child, then kill the offender and let it go if the woman didn't want the child. You were once a zygote. Do you think your mother should have been given the right to end your premature life if she chose? A mother who smothers her baby this side of the womb is a lunatic, but if she's only had it inside of her for 3 months but doesn't want it, then it's okay to abort it? Don't think that pro-lifers don't sympathize with the women. But they value the life of the child over the convenience of the mother.

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Phinehas · Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2003 10:01 am Post subject: Re: Declaration of Injustice