Absolutely boggled

lone-traveler · Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2005 5:16 pm Post subject: Absolutely boggled

My mind just Absolutely boggles when I think what really transpired on this earth.

Could you, being a man, with only faith and hope to go on,
Ever truly lay your life down for another?
Jesus said, maybe someone one would for a righteous man.
But could you or would you give up your life for an unruly hateful world like we have today?

It just boggles the mind......

You know back then there was really not much talk about resurrections and life after death. When you died, you died.

But to have that kind of faith, that if even yourself a sinner should die for the life of the whole world, could you do it?

The sacrifice that was made that day. The absolute mind boggling punishment. Just so we, the most unruly people backbiting, hurtful, nasty, unthankful bunch of brutes could walk this earth...

My mind is astounded... Jesus, You loved us so much that you gave us your very life. That whosever had your love and faith would be found worthy to walk there beside you. And that you would call me, this sinner, this absolute imperfect person with no self inherent good in me at all, that you would call me, your brother or sister just because I loved you for taking that first step for all mankind.

Thank you Jesus that you were worthy to take that cup and drink it for us all.

Amen

Lone
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Bridget · Rattlesnake Joined: 29 Jun 2003 Posts: 443

Amen, and again Amen!!!!!!!!!

thunder · Lion King Joined: 13 Sep 2003 Posts: 1222

Jesus gave His life ... because He knew that He had the power to make Himself alive again.

The fact that He was willing to die is not the most profound point, however, but that He was willing to be beaten without mercy by men who loved doing it, then to incredibly carry His own cross up hill to the place of the skull.

The fact that He knew that He had the power of resurrection, that it was the plan from the beginning and that He was in perfect position to allow, if not make the necessary arrangements, for His own death, burial, resurrection and ascention, only makes the mind wonder why He felt that it was necessary to also take a savage beating, a beating that would have killed Him had the Spirit of God in Him not kept His body alive?

He thought about what He wanted to build, then made heaven and earth, corrected Adam and Eve and the serpent, then made Himself the only sacrifice worthy to thoroughly cleanse all of humanity ( after placing us into a prizon of sorts for several thousand years of discipline ) so that His original plan could be reinstituted and eternity begin again.

I understand that the beating was the fulfillement of scripture so, why did He anoint prophets to initiate the prophesy?

thunder
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lone-traveler · Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2005 12:03 pm Post subject:

Hi Thunder,

I don't know if Jesus actually knew that he would rise from the dead. I believe that it was his faith in God that did. And that we ourselves are to have the same faith that he did no?

Otherwise if he knew then it would no longer have been of faith, right?

You got some scripture on faith Thunder? Can we work on this together?

Cause I'm not sure one way or the other. Let's learn ok?

All my heart

Lone
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Joh 15:12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.

thunder · Lion King Joined: 13 Sep 2003 Posts: 1222

Knowing ... is faith.

Christ knew what He was doing. At the beginning of His ministry He struggled with a combination of His own flesh and discernment of whether it was the correct time to begin His earthly ministry.

His mother told the servants to do what He said so that more water could be converted to wine and the wedding proceed as planned but He seemed unsure and hesitant to begin without further and more certain guidance.

Later, when His earthly father died, Lazarus died and John died, He seemed more than a little concerned about how to best proceed.

Maybe He saw death as quite a sinister existance and realized how difficult a time that He was going to face before entering death and when entering death, and His fleshly mind struggled within Him.

At the grave of Lazarus, He showed no fear of death for Himself or Lazarus but, did show some disappointment for they who stood around wailing over Lazarus being dead, because He knew that He was going to raise Lazarus and had instructed His disciples that," I am the resurrection and I am the ( source of ) life."

His tears were for the weak and mere human behavior of the disciples.

" Said I not unto theee that if thou wouldest believe, thou wouldest see the glory of God?"

He knew that He had resurrection power but, was likely concerned that, while under immense human pain and suffering, He might refuse to submit to the cross or that He might call down the army of God from heaven to anihilate those who were murdering Him and there by fail to complete all of the prophesies concerning the Christ.

In scripture, I never see Christ challenging or doubting His true identity as God and the maker of heaven and earth, with all power at His hand.

All man, all God, quite a unique combination for ONE man to handle.

thunder
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Star · Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2005 5:29 pm Post subject:

Here you go Lone, theres more verses, Jesus He knew. I believe Paul writes of despising the shame but the glory set before Him endured the cross as well.

Luke 24:7 Saying, The Son of man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, and be crucified, and the third day rise again.

Luke 24:44 And he said unto them, These [are] the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and [in] the prophets, and [in] the psalms, concerning me.

Luke 24:45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,

And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:
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thunder · Lion King Joined: 13 Sep 2003 Posts: 1222

Some times ... it feels like I am the only one suffering, then I recall that everyone suffers.

The children of God suffer because we are being chastised for being human. We become attached and then compelled to have love or passion for earthly pleasures then, when they are removed or compromised, we suffer.

It is then BY FAITH that we recognise what has happened. Christ willingly never partook of loving the world but you and I love the pleasures of this world from conception and birth. Christ has to discipline us as a reminder that we are to purposely seek loving not the world so that in the future, we know what to not partake of.

First, He disciplines us as our reminder then, we discipline our self by faith to love not the world. That discipline causes us to suffer whether the source of the discipline is Christ or when the source comes from within our self. Either way it is suffering and it is mandate that we suffer until we die ( all the way to the end of this earthly life ). Heb. 12:1-8, 1 John 2:15

It is our mission to put off our love of worldly passions. Other wise, we remain as adolescent children who cannot eat meat. Heb. 5:14

If we refuse to accept discipline and suffer by disciplining our self, the Lord has no option but to keep the milk coming. When He sees us suffering and disciplining our self, He knows that we are ready to take meat.

By faith we discipline our self. This message is a taste of that very self discipline.

Opting to suffer when we could sip milk and continue to love the world.

If we don't suffer, we are not growing in Christ.

( this is not a message that suggests a person to harm them self or to do something not safe for our body and mind (( abuse )). that would be tempting God ).

thunder
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