Contending for the Faith.

golfjack · Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2005 2:18 pm Post subject: Contending for the Faith.

Is there a need for a new way of doing church? I'm not so sure the old way was all that bad. I hear a lot of people tell me: God is doing a new thing today and I'm not convinced it's God behind the shift. Here's what captivating a lot of Protestants and Catholics:

I see we have Christian yoga coming to a church. It may be here already. Participants swear the Hindu gods will never make it to their Yoga mat. Don't be so sure. Christian Zen which advocates getting into an alpha level brain state for better Christian meditation. Mary for Protestants, so popular that it made the cover of Time Magizine Marxch 21, 2005. Contempletive Prayer which practitioners say is safe but which can put one in an altered state of consciousness as one focuses on a Christian mantra. Apparitions of Maryy as she appears around the world at the same time and is seen by millins of Catholics who appear to be an altered state of consciousness. The rush towards interspirituality which is a unification of many faiths likely leading to a one world religion of Revelation. The preaching of the bloodless Gospel. The rush to have the National associational of Evengelicals unite with World National Council of Churches in spite of the latters socialistic agenda. The out of control teaching that the Church will usher in the Kingdom of God and make the world perfect. Seen the news lately? The Church is the new Israel (replacement thelogy). Good-bye Israel. Your litterally history. Taking the words of poor new translations like the Message as the Gospel truth.

That only scratches the surface. The Book of Jude exhorts us to contend for the faith and it must be there for a reason. We can shrug our shoulders and chalk this up to the great end time falling away (2 Thess. 2:3; 1 Tim. 4:1) or we can stand up for the truth and alert family and friends.

The question is ARE YOU WILLING TO CONTEND FOR THE FAITH?

May God bless, golfjack

lone-traveler · Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2005 3:21 pm Post subject:

In the beginning God made the sun and moon.
the greater light to rule the day the lesser one at night ok?

then eve was created and by her seducing she killed adam, spritually

Then Cain was born and he slew abel

then who abraham and laban

Ishmael and Isaac

Esau and Jacob

through time,....

Moses and then aaron

The older not always served the younger because at one point was it Joseph or Jacob who crossed his arms over making manassah over ephraim?

Anyways the point I'm trying to make is...

There were 2 tablets of stone and A book of the laws and ordinances and decrees made.

The older original set if you will

Then Moses went back up on mount sinai and got a second set and put them in the Ark.

I have a feeling and it's ONLY AN OPINION MIND YOU OK?

that the original laws and commandments were not written as the first.

They were pure and undefiled without flaw.

Not to go by it with burnt offerings of animals or killing eachother for wrongs that were done.

But then again somewhere along the line the Ark of the covenant, commandments and laws were taken into captivity into babylon.

Here we find they were cut up into peices and rewritten again.

The next time we find the ark it only has the commandments in them.
that the laws and ordinances have been taken away.

hypothetical here ok? Like blood and water poured out of it.

ordinances of blood and water of life.

the sacrifices and washings.

my question is?

were the old testament covenants somehow perverted when they had been rewritten.

I believe Jesus was trying to show us what the true meanings behind the sacrifices were.

Now after that in the days of the apostles in what 70AD? There was another war and the sheep were scattered and got taken into captivity to whom Rome?

I'm talking Israel here not gentiles.

could the books that we have today have been mingled somehow?

Is the cup that we offer not supposed to be water to show life?
and maybe the bread we break is supposed to be the bread of truth?

Did the younger law that was made in sin, and I say this because of what Aaron and the people were doing under the mountain when Moses brought the first set down and broke the original covenant,
have dominion over the older original true version of it?

Did Christ come to reinstitute maybe the original laws at the beginning?

didn't moses go up and plead for His people and say let me die instead because they know not what they do?

But Satan saw what He was up to and set the second set of laws against him. so that it would appear as if he was defiling their laws?

And they could not bare the truth so they killed the one who brought the truth just like Moses from mount Sinai.

any comments would be appreciated...

Lone
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golfjack · Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2005 5:02 pm Post subject: reply

Hi Lone, I don't think the Ark of the Covenant has ever been found. Could it be under the Temple Mount? It could be. Another theory is that the Jews have it already. I know the Jews have all they need to build the Temple as far as utensils, annd so forth, but I believe the building of the Temple is the last Prophesy that has to be fulfilled. It is quite interesting what is going on in the Middle East, especially the war in Iraq. I believe the end will happen at Megodo, around the Euphrates River.

I believe the Jews have all the Rules and regulations (about 600). Having said that, we as believers have a better covenant with better promises (Hebrews). Believers have onlly one law, and that is the Law of love, which is formed up into 2 new commandments (love the Lord, and love your neighbor as yourself). I hope I have been some help.

May God bless, golfjack

lone-traveler · Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2005 5:31 pm Post subject:

I think God took it back up to heaven

IMO

Lone
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Joh 15:14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.
Joh 15:12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.

lone-traveler · Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2005 6:13 pm Post subject:

Could the description in Ezekiel chapter 1 have any realation to it?

sounds like an awesome description of something....

Lone
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Joh 15:14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.
Joh 15:12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.

thunder · Lion King Joined: 13 Sep 2003 Posts: 1222

The Apostle Paul ... was born Saul of Tarsus, an Israelite, a Pharisee of the tribe of Benjamin and was raised an OT scholar who was very astute in the Mosaic Law.

I have noticed no verbiage in the Pauline epistles that remotely address an illegitimate change in the law, quotes of Christ present in the gospel messages citing such an error or in the book of Hebrews.

Yes, Paul admitted that he was in error while being ignorant concerning Jesus of Nazareth being the Christ while He yet lived as a man and minister and did not see the Spirit of God at work in the original born again disciples of Christ or that those disciples were actual followers of God and that he was aware of those facts.

Until Paul met Jesus on the road to Damascus and was filled with the Spirit, only then was he in a position to accurately apply the knowledge of the law, as he was tought by men, to the actual intent of that written text, as was revealed to him in the HG, then understand what God had actually done through Christ, was he fully equipped to live and minister the gospel to all listeners.

If after passing through the eye of the needle, had Paul become aware of the misappropriation of law text, he certainly would have said something during his epistles to clarify the matter.

For that reason, I am personally certain that the law was intact, at the writings of Paul, James, John, Luke, Mathew, Mark and Peter, save the original tablets that Moses broke and replaced with new stone tablets.

thunder
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