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Silver Surfer
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 Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2003 10:16 am Post subject: Those who will 'NOT' Take the "Mark" |
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Revelation 14:9-11 tells us of the results to the people who end up receiving the "Mark of the Beast".
In contrast ...are the people of God (verse 12)...who are waiting patiently for God, to rescue them, from the soon-coming death penalty...to those who refuse to submit to taking the 'Mark'.
"HERE IS THE PATIEMCE OF THE SAINTS.....HERE ARE THEY THAT KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD...AMD HAVE THE FAITH OF JESUS".
These people are keeping all 10 commandments of God...as found in Exodus 20:3-17.....and this puts them in opposition of the "Mark of the Beast".
These Christians are upholding the word of God...and are witnessing for the truth founded upon Jesus Christ Himself.
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Matthew 5:11 Blessed are ye, when [men] shall revile you, and persecute [you], and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. |
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Nobby
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| Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2003 1:53 pm Post subject: Those who will 'NOT' Take the "Mark" |
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These PATIENCE SAINTS, are the one's that missed the Rapture!
For not taking the "mark of the beast," most will die. They will not live thru the tribulation! Some will. |
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Silver Surfer
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| Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2003 3:23 pm Post subject: Re: Those who will 'NOT' Take the "Mark" |
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| Nobby wrote: | These PATIENCE SAINTS, are the one's that missed the Rapture!
For not taking the "mark of the beast," most will die. They will not live thru the tribulation! Some will. |
Yes, most probably will die.
As to missing the Rapture....no...they have missed nothing.
The Rapture does not occur until at the end of the "M B" scenerio...just as scripture says.
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Matthew 5:11 Blessed are ye, when [men] shall revile you, and persecute [you], and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. |
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ELI
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| Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2003 4:45 pm Post subject: Where is your FAITH? ! !!! ! |
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Where is your FAITH? ! !!! !
Luke 10:16 He that heareth you heareth me; and he that despiseth you despiseth me; and he that despiseth me despiseth him that sent me.
Luke 10:17 And the seventy returned again with joy, saying, Lord, even the devils are subject unto us through thy name.
Luke 10:18 And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning (as antichrist) fall from heaven.
Luke 10:19 Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you.
ANTICHRIST & CO ON THE RUN !
Dan 11:30 For the ships of Chittim (the bruisers) shall come against him: therefore he shall be grieved,
Chittim means: bruisers = God's very elect
Dan 11:44 But tidings out of the east and out of the north shall trouble him: therefore he shall go forth with great fury to destroy, and utterly to make away many.
HE CAN RUN BUT HE CANNOT HIDE
Dan 11:45 And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his END, and none shall help him.
We already have the victory,  
its just a matter of how long it takes for to recognize this fact and learning how to use it.
God Bless
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Nobby
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| Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2003 6:03 pm Post subject: |
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| SS wrote: | | The Rapture does not occur until at the end of the "M B" scenerio...just as scripture says. |
Show me the scripture? |
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revmattchoo.com
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| Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2003 10:21 pm Post subject: |
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| and we're back to the ten commandments again...please show us somewhere in the Bible, which you have yet to do, that tells us that in order to gain access to Heaven we have to not only believe on Christ to save us, but that we must also keep the ten commandments or else fear goin to hell...that Christ's blood is of no effect because the ten commandments are actually what we must base our faith on... |
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Silver Surfer
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| Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2003 6:06 pm Post subject: Re: Where is your FAITH? ! !!! ! |
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| ELI wrote: |
We already have the victory, :) :D
its just a matter of how long it takes for to recognize this fact and learning how to use it.
God Bless
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The only people who have the victory...are those in Revelation 14:12.
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revmattchoo.com
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ok, since you seem to know so much, tell us what the mark of the beast is going to be...i guess we as Christians should know what it is so that we dont turn our backs on God (if that were even logically possible) and take the mark. and dont tell me that its collectively worshipping God on sunday because i dont see how anyone could put that on their forehead or hand.
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Silver Surfer
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| Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2003 7:29 pm Post subject: |
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| revmattchoo.com wrote: | | and dont tell me that its collectively worshipping God on sunday because i dont see how anyone could put that on their forehead or hand. |
Study the wording in Revelation 14:9.
The Bible says that the 'Mark' is 'IN' the forehead....and 'IN'...the hand.
The Bible does not say 'On' the forehead., but in the forehead.....meaning the mind is envolved.
Now, does Sunday seem more reasonable ?
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RevJP
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| Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2003 10:04 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Now, does Sunday seem more reasonable ? |
Uh... no. It seems that your desperation for having someone accept your heresy is begining to show - that is was seems more reasonable.
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ELI
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| Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2003 10:05 am Post subject: ONLY ONE GOD |
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| Silver Surfer wrote: | | revmattchoo.com wrote: | | and dont tell me that its collectively worshipping God on sunday because i dont see how anyone could put that on their forehead or hand. |
Study the wording in Revelation 14:9.
The Bible says that the 'Mark' is 'IN' the forehead....and 'IN'...the hand.
The Bible does not say 'On' the forehead., but in the forehead.....meaning the mind is envolved.
Now, does Sunday seem more reasonable ? |
BY ELI
The "Mark" is worship and service to the Spurious Messiah Antichrist -- who only thinks he is God.
Matthew 4:9 And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.
Luke 4:7 If thou therefore wilt worship me, all shall be thine.
The only people who have the mark are those in Revelation 13:13-14
The Bible, God's word especially Revelation, is written in reiterating iteration, i.e. it explains itself over and over and over and over again.
How many times and in how many different ways are we told in God’s word that there are 2
Two God’s, two Christ’s etc etc etc -- but only one true Rock, the other is Satan Lucifer who only thinks he is God.
John 8:38 I speak that which I have seen with my Father: and ye do that which ye have seen with your father.
Deu 32:31 For their rock is not as our Rock, even our enemies themselves being judges.
Hopefully one iteration with catch
God bless
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Silver Surfer
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| Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2003 10:44 am Post subject: |
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| RevJP wrote: | | Quote: | | Now, does Sunday seem more reasonable ? |
Uh... no. It seems that your desperation for having someone accept your heresy is begining to show - that is was seems more reasonable. |
Once you are born again.....you'll understand.
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metothezero
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| Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2003 9:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Once you are born again.....you'll understand. |
Ok you are either making two statements here.
You are either saying that he was never saved in the beginning,
Or you are saying he was, yet needs to do it again.
The second I've proven over and over is impossible based upon Hebrews saying that if you were once saved and lost it, you cannot regain it, so I wouldn't think you would be as completely retarded to say something like that, Because we all know it requires complete idiocy and stupidity for someone to continuously use the same argument although it has been undoubtedly proven wrong, don't we class.
So this only leaves the first statement...Are you then questioning the geniuness of this person's salvation. Are you being so bold as to say that this person is a liar? Are you making the bold statement, one in which only God can make, and saying that this person, although they have said they are a child of God, are clearly not, because they have supposedly been misguided by apparently false teachings that you can worship on Sunday, rather then sticking to the legalistic cultic idea that you must follow the fourth commandment in the exact manner as the Jews do? Is this a fair assumption of you assanine remarks?
BY THE WAY, I recently read when you were asked what denomination you were, that you responded by claiming the cult Seventh Day Adventist, and then equating this heretical group to the one found in Revelation, the true Church? Like it or not the Adventist have not always been on good terms with God or the church. The early beliefs of the Seventh Day Cult were completely heretical and completely false. Many of which they have recanted of and changed in order to be made and recognized as a Christian Denomination. So are you saying that God's True Church, the Chruch of Jesus Christ, is one in which it's original beliefs are that of heretics and pagans?? Are that of a cult? It seems to me that God would found his Church based upon truth, and they would be founded in truth from the very beginning. Perhaps though because of human stupidity they might venture from God, but they started in the truth of God. Not the other way around. God founding a Church with doctrines completely opposing his word, and then it eventually coming to him...That is a ludicrous idea. But it reminds me of some other groups teachings....what is that group...oh yeah I know...the Witnessess...a known cult.
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Silver Surfer
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| Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2003 6:07 am Post subject: Are you Ready ? |
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How does a person prepare themselves, for not submitting to the Mark of the Beast ?
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revmattchoo.com
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| Posted: Sat Dec 20, 2003 9:27 pm Post subject: |
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interesting, he finally replies after 2 months, and it has nothing to do with the immediately preceding post.
| Silver Surfer wrote: | | How does a person prepare themselves, for not submitting to the Mark of the Beast? |
well, to answer this question, get saved now and go up in the rapture...or you can stay lost now and hope that the last days happen when you are still alive on earth and hope you get to live long enough during the tribulation so you can get saved. then, if u get saved during the tribulation, the mark of the beast is only going to be for those who worship the beast, so Christians in that time will not be worshipping the beast and i believe God will keep the believers from accidentally taking the mark.
of course, i know you pt, that you are not a pre-trib believer, so, you will reply with the heresy that the sda is actually the church of revelation and that we are now living in the tribulation...if this is the tribulation, and the catholic church is the beast - a.k.a. anitchrist - ,then where's all the signs and wonders that are supposed to be going on? where's World War 3 and all the earthquakes and things falling from the sky? the moon turning to blood and the sun being blackened? what about armageddon and water turning to blood? it has not happened yet. it has yet to happen.
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