trees fruit tongue life

Star · Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 7:14 pm Post subject: trees fruit tongue life

Lone traveler

I wanted to put your words concerning trees fruit tongue and life in its own topic Very Happy

Kinda makes each word or whatever were talking about easier to retrace if we would like to go back and add to it and express some understanding to it at a later time. I thought thats a wonderful thing to consider being that Fruit is the evidence of the Spirit. So I thought that it was a great topic starter. I mostly put verses (a couple of comments) but its pretty much in study form. Please add to it (or anyone) I'm pretty reckless in study mode (things thrown everywhere) until somethings quickened to me. This has been of great interest to me as well, so were in the same boat here Laughing

Heres a little "tree" thing a man saw and Jesus giving him clarity on what he saw (The whole thing is not down here, just where to look in Mark)

Mark 8:22-25 shows "men walking around" like trees when Jesus first touched him, apparently this was incorrect because Jesus had to further touch him to restore his sight. Maybe? Though it does not say, men as "trees" cannot walk but "stand" or are "planted" somewhere (spiritually speaking) Which leads to Jesus saying

John 15:5 I am the vine, ye [are] the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing. (I love this)

If we abide in Him we abide in His words and His words in us, being not hearers only but doers, His command is to love one another. How? By not judging each other, or condemning each other, forgiving each other and He is glorified in us, THAT (purpose in this) that our fruit remain (that which remains is faith hope and love) in this world so the world WOULD BELIEVE IF we had LOVE for one another... Its the only thing that will have the world believe. One can argue logic all one wants, debate, strive etc... nothing will convince the world but love, you can argue against that, neither is there a law against it, it fulfills the law.

Prov 5:7 Hear me now therefore, O ye children, and depart not from the words of my mouth.

Heres where we use our mouths and are filled by our own lips and how we choose to use our words to either tear down others or encourage or edify others (pretty much the same thing throughout)

Proverbs 1:31 Therefore they shall eat of the fruit of their own way, and be filled with their own devices.
Prov 18:20 A man's belly shall be satisfied with the fruit of his mouth; [and] with the increase of his lips shall he be filled.

Here shows a spiritual picture of someone lying in wait for others lives in a hateful way just waiting to jump all over you with words.

Prov 12:6 The words of the wicked [are] to lie in wait for blood: but the mouth of the upright shall deliver them.

Ecc 10:12 The words of a wise man's mouth [are] gracious; but the lips of a fool will swallow up himself. Gal 5:15 But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another. Psalm 52:4 Thou lovest all devouring words, O [thou] deceitful tongue

Matt 12:33 Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by [his] fruit.

Math 12:35 A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things. James 3:12 Can the fig tree, my brethren, bear olive berries? either a vine, figs? so [can] no fountain both yield salt water and fresh.

Luke 6:44 For every tree is known by his own fruit. For of thorns men do not gather figs, nor of a bramble bush gather they grapes.

Rev 14:5 And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God.
1Corinth 6:7 Now therefore there is utterly a fault among you, because ye go to law one with another.
James 3:2 For in many things we offend all. If any man offend not in word, the same [is] a perfect man, [and] able also to bridle the whole body.

Neat thing (about below) "Nathanel" was the only disciple it was said of that there was no guile in him. I found that interesting. I looked up his name and his name mean...

Nathanael: means "the gift of God"

What Nathanel says sounds pessismistic but he's not at all unprententious He says here...

John 1:46 And Nathanael said unto him, Can there any good thing come out of Nazareth? Philip saith unto him, Come and see.

Jesus says of Him

John 1:47 Jesus saw Nathanael coming to him, and saith of him, Behold an Israelite indeed, in whom is no guile!

1Peter 3:10 For he that will love life, and see good days, let him refrain his tongue from evil, and his lips that they speak no guile:

Psalm 57:4 My soul [is] among lions: [and] I lie [even among] them that are set on fire, [even] the sons of men, whose teeth [are] spears and arrows, and their tongue a sharp sword.

Heb 13:6 So that we may boldly say, The Lord [is] my helper, and I will not fear what man shall do unto me.

The importance of watching our words

Mat 12:36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment. Prov 18:21 Death and life [are] in the power of the tongue: and they that love it shall eat the fruit thereof.

Psalm 15:3 [He that] backbiteth not with his tongue, nor doeth evil to his neighbour, nor taketh up a reproach against his neighbour.
Prov 26:28 A lying tongue hateth [those that are] afflicted by it; and a flattering mouth worketh ruin.

Here the ball is in our court and being aware of the spiritual implications of disobedience to Him on this. This is actually GOOD NEWS...

Matt 12:37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned. Luke 6:37 Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:

Romans 14:10 But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.

James 4:11 Speak not evil one of another, brethren. He that speaketh evil of [his] brother, and judgeth his brother, speaketh evil of the law, and judgeth the law: but if thou judge the law, thou art not a doer of the law, but a judge. (not a doer of the law of love, judge not)

Lords reprimand and promise to turn from ones ways

Isaiah 58:9 Then shalt thou call, and the LORD shall answer; thou shalt cry, and he shall say, Here I [am]. If thou take away from the midst of thee the yoke, the putting forth of the finger, and speaking vanity;

Isaiah 57:4 Against whom do ye sport yourselves? against whom make ye a wide mouth, [and] draw out the tongue? [are] ye not children of transgression, a seed of falsehood,

Luke 6:46 And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and DO NOT "the things which I say"?

James shows being a Doer of "The Work" loosens your own chains (law of liberty) being made Free by Christ....

James 1:22 But whoso looketh into the perfect "law of liberty", and continueth [therein], he being not a forgetful hearer, but a DOER of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.

Prov 21:36 She openeth her mouth with wisdom; and in her tongue [is] the law of kindness.

Isaiah 50:4 The Lord GOD hath given me the tongue of the learned, that I should know how to speak a word in season to [him that is] weary:

Prov 12:18 ....but the tongue of the wise [is] health.

Ever find yourself in the Lions Den Laughing

believe this next thing... Gods not against you, so WHO IS? The condemning is on the act of judgement against you. He shuts the mouths of the lions because he has shown no man can be justified by the law they judge you by. They might trust in themselves and their own righteousness but we trust in the Lord our God.

Isaiah 54:17 No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper; and every tongue [that] shall rise against thee in judgment thou shalt condemn. This [is] the heritage of the servants of the LORD, and their righteousness [is] of me, saith the LORD.

And... Ofcourse, theres the big fruit issue in the garden of eden on the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. If you look at the kewords there and watch how Paul uses them He makes no mistake about it, He's speaking of the law.

Steve, add any verses you find, or insights, if you have another word, even phrase anything, just open up another topic, afterall this is a free forum for anything. I have a study from another board, I'll copy paste here just for "tongue" I was pretty blessed by it... Cause I always speak too much, so ofcourse.... the Lord quicked that to me. Its a wonder He could get a word in edgewise Laughing

In Him

Starlaa

Star · Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 7:23 pm Post subject:

Whoa!!! I'm sorry bout that guys... way too wordy of a post. I guess its stupid to put so much up there, I wouldn't read it all... again my appologies, I'll try to be more careful not to do that again.

In Him

Star Embarassed

shepreach · Cobra Joined: 08 Nov 2003 Posts: 493 Location: ga

star,
i read it all and now i'm confused. guess this one isn't mine. but i did lock on to the tree of life thing. there's a passage in ezekiel that parallels the description of the tree of life in revelation exactly. can't remember chapter and verse. but it says the tol grows on the bank of the river and its fruit is to be eaten every month of the year. its leaves are for healing.this may have something to do with lone's verse:

Star · Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 10:39 pm Post subject:

She?

May I be so dumb here, but whats a "tol" Laughing

But we do admire that you did not say the fruit of the wicked (without faith) is death Shocked

Had to say it Laughing

Ok I'll be serious now

You wrote

the righteous go to live where the tol is. it gives them life forever just like the one in the garden of eden would have. whata ya think?

Star replies

I don't know what the tol is but I think I see where your coming from and I'd say yeah! He alone is immortal and Him in us joined to us live together with the Lord for ever. (Gen & Rev are like flip flop veiws of each other in a sense huh?)

The Fruit of the righteous abiding in Christs words having His faith and walking in the law of liberty is doing that which He commands us. Becoming the tree of life and healing to others. The Tree of life is obviously not us (for apart from Him we can do nothing) So rooted and grounded in Him would produce (if looked at as a feild) would be a harvest of righteousness (Christ in us) brought forth to perfection amen? The power of Christ working within producing an increase by God who gives it.

I actually like "Fruit with seed in it" thats kool.

I havent the slightest Clue about those "leaves" I never "got it" Confused or disgusted

Like... Adam hides behind the leaves and now the leaves are for healing? I see what it says but I'm just not getting it, you think you could make something clear on this for me (this is one of many brain farts on my end) Laughing

Haven't a clue Very Happy

If you can, may God enlighten me through you, Lord knows I need it lol Don't worry bout being confused above I wasn't making any kinda point I was just mindlessly posting verses for reference... I drive myself crazy too Laughing

Thanks Shepreach

In Him

Starlaa

MoJo · Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 6:45 am Post subject:

t.o.l. = tree of life

luv Wink

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Nobby · Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 7:43 am Post subject: trees fruit tongue life

Star · Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 9:13 am Post subject:

lol

I'm terrible at abbreviations! Laughing

It took me 10 years before I even asked what IMHO was... I always breezed passed it, never daring to ask Laughing

Feeling quite stupid now Embarassed

In Him

Starlaa (Thanks for clarifying that Mo Very Happy

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MoJo · Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 9:32 am Post subject:

You're welcome, sis. I am your servant. Very Happy

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lone-traveler · Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 10:19 am Post subject:

Trees...

Genesis 3:8; And they heard the voice of the Lord God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: And Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the Lord God amongst the trees of the garden.

I always start with one idea, then I read something and bang a whole other thing pops up.

First I wanted to find out what the significance of the trees of the garden are. I think that they represent something more than just trees.

But then I read how Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the Lord God.
Now how does one hide oneself from God. He's everywhere.

Has to be something here between light (understanding) and darkness
(ignorance). God is Light and they tried to hide from the light, in darkness, among the trees.

Judges 9:8; The trees went forth on a time to anoint a king over them: and they said unto the olive tree, Reign thou over us.

Judges 9:14; Then said all the trees unto the bramble, Come thou, and reign over us.

1 Chronicles 16:33; Then shall the trees of the wood sing out at the presence of the Lord, because He cometh to judge the earth.

Job 14:7; For there is hope of a tree, if it be cut down, that it will sprout again, and that the tender branch thereof will not cease.

Psalm 1:3; And he shall be like a tree planted by the rivers of water, that bringeth forth his fruit in his season, his leaf also shall not wither, and whatsoever he doeth shall prosper.

Psalm 37:35; I have seen the wicked in great power, and spreading himself like a green bay tree.

1 Kings 14:23; For they also built them high places, and images, and groves, on every high hill, and every green tree.

2 Chronicles 28:4 He sacrificed also and burnt incense, in the high places, and on the hills, and unger every green tree.

Psalm 92:12; The righteous shall flourish like the palm tree, he shall grow like a cedar in lebanon.

Proverbs 15:4 A wholesome tongue is a tree of life; but perversness therof is a breach of spirit.

Isaiah 66:17; They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one tree in the midst, eating swines flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the Lord.

note: check out the tree in the midst in the garden, who's the mouse??

Jer. 17:8; For he shall be as a tree planted by the water, and that spreadeth out her roots by the river, and shall not see when heat cometh, but her leaf shall be green; and shall not be careful in the year of drought, neither shall cease from yeilding fruit.

note: he shall be planted, but it's her roots and her leaf. who's her?

Ezekiel 15:6; Therefore thus saith the Lord, As the vine tree among the trees of the forest, which I have given to the fire for fuel, so will I give the inhabitants of Jerusalem.

Ezekiel 17:24; And all the trees of the field shall know that I the Lord have brought down the high tree, have exalted the low tree, have dried up the green tree, and have made the dry tree to flourish: I the Lord have spoken, and have done it.

Read Ezekiel chapter 31.

Daniel 4:20-22

Zechariah 4:11; Then answered I and said unto him, what are these two olive trees upon the right side of the candlestick and upon the left side thereof?

verse 14; Then he said, these are the two anointed ones that stand by the Lord of the whole earth.

Matthew 12:33; Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by his fruit.

Matthew 24:32; Now learn a parable of the fig tree; when his branch is yet tender, and puteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh,

Mark 8:24; And he looked up, and said, I see men as trees walking.

Luke 23:31; For if they do these things in a green tree, what shall be done in the dry?

Jude 1:12; These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots.

twice dead??
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Star · Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 12:27 pm Post subject:

Gen 3:7 And the eyes of them both were opened, and they KNEW Shocked

that they WERE NAKED Embarassed

and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons. 8)

No cloke for their sin? As Jesus said? fleeing naked... Not knowing God would cover them? Linens left in the tomb? Keep thy garments with thee type deal? Smile

I remember a freind of mine River who thought the teachings were as the leaves (Hiding behind teachings?) Not sure really, not yet, but they did hear THE SOUND (Not the VOICE) of the Lord in the garden and hid among the "trees" People? (feasting with you?) Shocked

Don't know, I don't think that one applies Laughing

In 1Kings 6:34 there appears to be Two doors two leaves on each door, were these "in type" sewn together?

Jude 1:12Trees (people) without fruit? feasting and feeding "themselves" (((without fear))) were they feeding with and on others? (devouring others and consumed by their tongues?) No fruit (love peace and joy) present? and Twice dead No fruit forever on this tree? (plucked up by the roots out of the good land) Clouds without water (Word) carried about by the winds (of doctrines of men?) Rolling Eyes

Put to flight like a wind blown leave?

trees whose fruit withereth??

Mark 11:13 And seeing a fig tree afar off having leaves, he came, if haply he might find any thing thereon: and when he came to it, he found nothing but leaves; for (((the time of figs was not yet))))

Ezek 17:9 Say thou, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Shall it prosper? shall he not pull up the roots thereof, and cut off the fruit thereof, that it wither? it shall wither in all the leaves of her spring, even without great power or many people to pluck it up by the roots thereof.

Mat 21:19 And when he saw a fig tree in the way, he came to it, and found nothing thereon, but (((leaves only)))) and said unto it, Let no fruit grow on thee henceforward for ever. And presently the fig tree((( withered away)))

John 15:5 I am the vine, ye [are] the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for (((without me))) ye can do nothing.

As a Cloud of witnesses have his water, His words that are as the dew ( His teaching) His word abiding in us, one can only wither away if not abiding in Him. Kinda makes sense being that trees without fruit are not abiding in Him from where our fruitfulness comes. Plucked up by their roots, not from "THE ROOT" (He is the Root and offspring of David) Basically they have no root in themselves, they are abiding in the "winds" (winds of doctrine) following these around, being blown by them.

Ever see a tumbleweed Laughing

blown by the wind, it had no real Root in them to be firmly planted, those itty bits roots (notice plural) Laughing

can't hold one fast, you can only "blow away" Shocked

Make sense?

Dead as a natural man, dead as a spiritual man? Twice dead? Jesus shows dead burrying their dead (walking around) but now it appears (though I'm not certain, could be wrong) that they are dead to Christ, not abiding in Him and can do nothing of themselves.

?

In Him

Starlaa

shepreach · Cobra Joined: 08 Nov 2003 Posts: 493 Location: ga

twice dead= wicked men--dead in sins and dead for eternity without Christ.
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shepreach · Cobra Joined: 08 Nov 2003 Posts: 493 Location: ga

star,
mojo's right. (thanks mo!).did adam & eve hide in the middle of the garden? i think lone may be right about the dark and light part.

i was thinking about God removing the tol from us by guarding it with an angel. God said it was so no one would eat its fruit and live forever.

the leaves adam & eve wore were fig leaves. they were trying to get themselves out of trouble. those leaves woud have been fragile and unsuitable for a covering to hide their nakedness. they should have stayed obedient. they had the best covering of all-- God's glory.

chapter & verse on the tol: ezekiel 47:1-12 and revelation 22:1-5. i'm not real sure but i think the healing may be peace. rev. says they're for the healing of the nations. and maybe for the tears , sorrows and physical healing also. the nations thing almost has to be peace don't it. and there would be peace after they personal healing too.

all this connects in my mind but i'm not good at explaining it. i am just throwing things into the wind to see what's there.
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MoJo · Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 1:20 pm Post subject:

here's a thought - trees have many branches, so I think a tree would refer to many people as opposed to one. The leaves would be the individuals on this particular tree, so that people in the Lord heal others.

A tree could therefore be substituted with the word house. Just a thought. Tree of life would have many branches and tree of knowledge of good and evil would also have many branches. Assyria was a great tree with many branches. "I am the vine, you are the branches" and leaves are on the branches, not the root or trunk. Very Happy

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