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 Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2003 3:34 pm Post subject: Re: They're all little different |
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| ELI wrote: | Not that I know if it matters much to anyone but me, but I don't care much for your ICON
Would you mind very much, if I asked you to change it ?
God bless
Peace |
Sorry for asking...
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ELI
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| Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2003 4:28 pm Post subject: SO AM I |
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So am I..... . . . . . . .  
Oh, by the way. I don’t like your handle much either
What are you a Fake of? The True
The following pseudo post would suit me better.
I feel it would be more in concordance to a truly meaningful communication
Hello ELI,
I've read your posted string and do not agree with it much
but save the odd writting style (to me anyways), I did find some emusement in reading it
Thanks
Senserly, Fake
THEN, I WOULD SAY IN REPLY
BY ELI
Odd writting style?
What did you mean by odd writting style, Fake ?  
What parts didn't you agree with
And
What part did you find amusing ?
God bless
Peace
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RevJP
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| Quote: | | That's according to your tradition and rendition of God's word that we're not supposed to be watchmen. |
Not so, I merely ask to what purpose you propose a timeline to identify an event which Scripture says is and will remain unknown?
| Quote: | | I'm sounding the alarm for the Imminent appearance of spuriouschrist antichrist . . . ......NOT Jesus Christ. |
Once more: To what end? To know who the antichrist will be and when he/she will rise, combined with your 'timeline' on the end times serves ultimately only one real purpose - to try and narrow down the second coming of Christ. Again, an exercise in futility.
| Quote: | | while your busy trying to reach me with your church traditions and glum opinion about eschatology. |
es·cha·tol·o·gy ( P ) Pronunciation Key (sk-tl-j)
n.
The branch of theology that is concerned with the end of the world or of humankind.
A belief or a doctrine concerning the ultimate or final things, such as death, the destiny of humanity, the Second Coming, or the Last Judgment.
My opinion? Glum? How so? Merely stating that the 'tribulation, rapture, etc. and whatever' would take care of itself without my searching for timelines and trying to pinpoint who will rise and where? Or do you consider it glum the idea that I said a exercise in futility has no point in the Christian life?
| Quote: | | Just sing a song and everything will be ok, right? |
Just sing a song? Hardly. To wail and bemoan events or possible events to which I have no control or input is a waste of the time God has given me. I am here for a purpose: "As a Christian it is my privilage to live a life in Christ, to spread the Good News of Jesus and His salvation plan for mankind - that is the only thing for which I need to truly prepare." I am living that purpose I am truly preparing myself and all about me for whatever may come. |
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ELI
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| Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2003 7:41 am Post subject: WATCH THEREFORE |
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I believe the seventh trump sounds after the tribulation
(Matthew 24: 29-31).
St Paul gives two signs which will be present when the Day of the Lord comes.
Those signs being the apostasy and the man of lawlessness.
Neither of these two signs were present then
Neither of these two signs are present at this time today.
Apostasy means giving up or renouncing of one's professed principles or faith.
This Apostasy will come to pass when the religious lamb (false messiah) of Revelation 13:11 comes to pass.
He,
the religious lamb, will look just-like the Lamb of God but his voice is of the dragon, for he is the great dragon, that old serpent, called the Devil and Satan (Revelation 12:9).
When the false christ stands in the holy place performing in the sight of Christians,
the pretribulation-rapture-Christian will think it is Christ coming to rapture them away and seek to convince others to come join them.
This religious lamb will be very convincing to most, 
As,
he is indeed a supernatural "angelic" being known by the true names of, "Death" “Desolator” “Destroying angel” “angel of Death” Or simply, "Son of Perdition" “He who is to perish”
more commonly known as Satan Lucifer the devil.
It is the duty of the elect to stand and witness in the synagogues, allowing the Holy Spirit to give His Message to the world through you. (Mark 13:9).
Christ is your spiritual Husband.
You should remain a spiritual virgin until He returns
(II Corinthians 11:2).
For Christ Himself said; "Woe to them that are with child in those days!" (Mark 13:17).
If your spiritual Husband has been on a long journey and finds you with child when He returns, then you have been impregnated (deceived) with the mark of the false messiah, and worshiped Satan in the last hour.
Mat 14:25 And in the fourth watch of the night Jesus went unto them, walking on the sea.
Mat 24:42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
Eze 33:7 So thou, O son of man, I have set thee a watchman unto the house of Israel; therefore thou shalt hear the word at my mouth, and warn them from me.
Mar 13:37 And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch.
Luke 21:36 WATCH ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.
1Cr 16:13 WATCH ye, stand fast in the faith, quit you like men, be strong.
Col 4:2 Continue in prayer, and watch in the same with thanksgiving;
1Th 5:6 Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.
Rev 3:3 Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt NOT watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.
Mat 25:1 Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.
Mat 25:2 And five of them were wise, and five were foolish.
Mat 25:3 They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them:
Mat 25:4 But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps.
Mat 25:5 While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered (half asleep) and slept (fully asleep).
Mat 25:6 And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him.
Mat 25:7 Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps.
Mat 25:8 And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out.
Mat 25:9 But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves.
Mat 25:10 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.
Mat 25:11 Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us.
Mat 25:12 But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.
Mat 25:13 WATCH therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.
God bless
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Javan
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1 John 4:1
| John wrote: | | Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. |
2 Thessalonians 2:1-4
| Paul wrote: | | 1 Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him, we ask you, brothers, 2 not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by some prophecy, report or letter supposed to have come from us, saying that the day of the Lord has already come. 3 Don't let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. 4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God's temple, proclaiming himself to be God. |
Remember, where (or who) is God's temple today? |
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HeKkLeR
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Another interesting thread...
This will sound kind of strange... very very strange... but I must side with ELI... if even a little...
I do believe that it is not for every "christian" to watch for the signs of the prophecy of the coming of the Lord. Yet I do believe that it is for a select few to search for the truth of the prophecy... carefully watching all... while they eagerly await the Lord's return.
A follower of Christ Jesus and God, the Father will surely eagerly pray and await the signs of the Lord's return. For they will hate their life, and be in search of their true land and home, their New Jerusalem... the home that they never have seen, yet know by faith is awaiting them, just as they are awaiting it.
The only problem is that we can sometimes get too eager, and in doing so do the Lord Jesus Christ and His prophecy injustice.
Keep searching the heavens and the earth for signs, ELI. That is what Jesus has told His followers to do... |
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Javan
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| Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2004 4:59 pm Post subject: |
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| HeKkLeR wrote: | | I do believe that it is not for every "christian" to watch for the signs of the prophecy of the coming of the Lord. Yet I do believe that it is for a select few to search for the truth of the prophecy... carefully watching all... while they eagerly await the Lord's return. |
But the Bible is there for us to search in whenever we want. No one knows the day nor the hour, but we should all act as if TODAY is the day (even if it is going to be another few thousand years).
Take no MAN's word for what the Bible says - discern and know what GOD says by His Spirit. |
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HeKkLeR
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| Javan wrote: | | Take no MAN's word for what the Bible says - discern and know what GOD says by His Spirit. |
True words spoken...
Yet, seeing the truth unfold... fold, and refold around you on a daily basis can only add strength to one's faith. To see with one's own eyes, through the counsel of the Holy Spirit, the truths of prophecy proclaimed happening hear on earth, outside of the words of scripture, but in reality... excites some of us enough for us to take pride in our own awareness and acknowledgments, to the point of proclaiming that we have it all figured out.
The danger is that even though we may understand the truth, we are flawed, and so will be our proclaimed calculations and interpretations of the signs of the coming of the Lord Jesus Christ. We will never get it right until the Lord shows us Himself.
But I still believe it can be healthy to watch for the signs of prophecy, and to personally interpret them. Even to share thoughts on them with others. It becomes unhealthy when one believes in himself to the point of heresy and blasphemy. |
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Javan
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| HeKkLeR wrote: | | Even to share thoughts on them with others. |
To a point I agree with you. There is nothing wrong with sharing what you think. Where I see the error and the danger is in sharing with those who may be "baby" Christians and are searching for ideas and for truth. In an open forum like this you never know who may be reading these posts.
The Holy Spirit grabbed my reins right after I joined in here and said, "Slow down!" I have lots of things I could share, but they would only bring confusion and misunderstanding if I simply blurted them all out on an unsuspecting crowd. Everyone learns in their own time - when GOD says so, not when a MAN says so.
| HeKkLeR wrote: | | Yet, seeing the truth unfold... fold, and refold around you on a daily basis can only add strength to one's faith. |
But, seeing the predictions here already proven false does exactly the opposite of this (regardless of being the words of "flawed" men). |
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RevJP
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The danger lies twofold;
The focus on that which we cannot know, in an effort to gain knowledge... to what good purpose? Should not that study and effort be better used on the understanding and preaching of the Gospel of Christ?
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The second danger is the reliance on our own understanding, the pride we take in how clever we are for 'deciphering' the prophecies... Are we so intelligent that we can learn that which God tells us we cannot know? Pride, self-indulgence, self-delusion, and then misleading others with our self-focused ideas....
Yes, twofold danger: self-importance and wasting of our Christian time and energies. |
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Javan
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That was a "one-two" punch, RevJP! Way to go! 8)
God will reveal all to each man/woman at the proper time. |
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ELI
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| Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2004 3:02 pm Post subject: the majority of Christians |
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| Javan wrote: | 1 John 4:1
| John wrote: | | Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. |
2 Thessalonians 2:1-4
| Paul wrote: | | 1 Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him, we ask you, brothers, 2 not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by some prophecy, report or letter supposed to have come from us, saying that the day of the Lord has already come. 3 Don't let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. 4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God's temple, proclaiming himself to be God. |
Remember, where (or who) is God's temple today? |
BY ELI
John is going to show us how to discern between "the spirit of truth" and the spirit "of error" (see vs. 6).
We need therefore to pay very close attention!
1 John 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
We read the words directly from Jesus Christ Himself in Mat 24 that there are many false prophets gone out into the world to deceive MANY.
Again, how do we tell who is a false teacher and who isn't? 
How do we tell whose spirit dwells in them, whether it is the Spirit of God, or the spirit of antichrist?
It is real easy! John says DO NOT BELIEVE EVERY SPIRIT!
That's right, John just admonished us not to believe every spirit, but to TRY THEM first!
We are to TEST the spirits, ALL OF THEM!
What exactly does that mean, to "try" them, to put their spirits to the test to DETERMINE whether or not they are of God?
The Greek word for "try" is "dokimaz" which means: to assay, to make trial of, put to the proof, examine, as metals by fire, etc., to prove, try". (This definition is taken from "A Critical Lexicon and Concordance", Kregel Publishers, by E. W. Bullinger.)
We are to use God's Word like the purifying fire it is to assay the spirits and doctrines of ALL men who profess to teach God's Word.
There should be NO EXEMPTIONS from the fiery test, whether they are a pope, bishop, priest, minister, deacon, layperson, or teacher, including this teacher -- check them all out!
If what they say aligns with the Word of God then it is "good as gold"
If it is contrary to God's Word then consider it consumed and burned as a straw man and his words!
Paul said in 1 Thes. 5:21, "Prove all things; hold fast that which is good."
That means let go of that which is bad!
Did you know that the Bereans checked him out in the scriptures and he was not offended.
It is written of them that they were more "noble" than those Christians in Thessalonica for doing their due diligence:
Acts 17:10 And the brethren immediately sent away Paul and Silas by night unto Berea: who coming thither went into the synagogue of the Jews.
[11] These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.
You see, that is HOW you know whether or not a spirit is of God!
Many people have a problem with the next verse, 1 John 4:2
That is usually because they take it out of the context of the subject which is being discussed which is "trying the spirits".
1 John 4:2
Hereby...
Don't miss this word!
It means: "By this thing (which is the testing), i.e. "This is how" we know the Spirit of God,
by knowing the Word of God -- It is so simple!
[2] Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
Here is a really good and very basic example -- If a spirit, be it man or angel, confesses that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh then certainly that spirit passes the scripture test of John 3:16, doesn't it?
That spirit has then been tried and found to be of God, i.e. it is scriptural -- So that is a really good step in the right direction.
But DO NOT forget to test everything else that spirit says the same way. Got it?
If you believe everything else someone says, just because he or she passes the first basic test, without "searching the scriptures daily" to see whether those other things they teach are so, then you are a fool indeed and you have not kept His commandments!
What if a spirit doesn't confess that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh? -- He FAILS the test, pal!
He will eventually make the grade by the time of judgment or he will be burned by the Consuming Fire: Hebrews 12:29 "For our God is a consuming fire."
Do you believe that Jesus Christ can return at any moment -- If you do, why do you believe that?
Who was it that told you such a thing and where did they get the
idea?
It is precisely because some of the Thessalonians believed that the day of the Lord was at hand -- as do so many believers in the pre-trib Rapture Theory today, that Paul wrote this second letter to "straighten them out" on this urgent matter!
It is EXTREMELY important that Christians understand the chronological order of events which are about to take place because as Paul will make clear to even the simplest reader, there is a "supernatural one" coming first, BEFORE Jesus Christ returns,
AND
he will look just like the Messiah, and he will call himself Jesus Christ.
Unfortunately, those who are expecting the return of Jesus Christ at any moment will surely believe the second advent has taken place because they don't know there are two Jesus Christs, the real one and the imposter who is called in scripture "anti-christos".
"Anti" means: "instead of" as in -- a SUBSTITUTE !
ANTI, an-tee', Greek 473; a primary particle; opposite, i.e. instead of or because of (rarely in addition to) :- for, in the room of. Often used in composition to denote contrast, requital, substitution, correspondence, etc.
Just wait until you find out who this first spurious messiah, the Instead-of-Jesus (antichrist), really is that the "many" will be worshipping! Woe baby!
We can discover what the Word of God says concerning the second advent as we begin to carefully examine chapter two of Paul's second letter to the Thessalonians.
However before I begin,
take a moment and carefully consider the words the great scholar E.W. Bullinger wrote in his Introductory to "How to Enjoy the Bible", Kregel Publications, pg. 6.
"[i]When we come to ask ourselves, and say, 'Where did I learn this?' 'How did I get this?' 'Who taught this to me?'
Now carefully consider the Word of God.
2 Thes 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
Arrrggghhh!
We've just been "beseeched"! Do you know what that means?
It means that Paul is imploring us not to do something concerning the subjects of "the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and our gathering unto Him".
Here is what he begs us not to do:
[2] That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
You better not be "wishy washy" about this subject or have any doubts whatsoever when it is that we gather back to Jesus Christ!
Furthermore, there is no need to be ignorant concerning our gathering back because Paul "spells it out" in real simple terms in this chapter.
Do you remember what was troubling the Thessalonians concerning the Day of the Christ's return? They were not much different than the problems confronting Christian's today concerning His return.
You see, the "many" whom Christ said in Mat 24 and Mark 13 would be deceived by the words of false teachers in these last days, are continually fed a "vision" of a mentally disturbed woman who claimed her vision was a "revelation" of the spirit.
Today it is called the pre-trib Rapture Theory and lately it's been promoted very heavily among Christians on radio, TV, in book after book, and now in full length motion pictures such as "Left Behind" by those sorely deceived in their own Biblical illiteracy.
Note: With just a little research at your local library you can easily trace the origin of the Rapture Theory back to Glasgow, Scotland, to the year 1830 when a lady named Margaret MacDonald saw a "vision" whereby all of a sudden the Lord descends in the clouds and calls His saints to rise up and meet Him in the air.
Start with the book -- "The Incredible Cover-up", by Dave MacPherson
You can then trace this Rapture Theory's entry into this nation, even identifying the group that brought it here, and chart its infiltration into the majority of our churches today.
Those who support this any-moment Rapture Theory rely heavily on the two verses of 1 Thes. 4:16-17 to support their theory.
However, I have already documented over and over that the events of vs. 16-17 occur at the last Trump, which is the Day of the Lord and the first day of the Millennium.
Paul continues in verse 3 with an even more direct statement:
2 Thes 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
Remember, the subject being addressed here is the return of Jesus Christ and when it is we gather back to Him!
That is certainly easy enough for anyone to understand.
But the really hard part of this verse for people to come to grips with is the "Let no man deceive you by any means" part!
Perhaps your minister or pastor is a really nice man with a lovely family and you know him to be sincere and conscientious and one who would not purposely lead you astray -- and that may all be true but will you consider that perhaps he has blindly followed after the traditional teachings of the church, which have the appearance of being good, just as you have followed after him?
Think about it!
The point Paul is making is "PLEASE, DO NOT let anyone tell you in any way, shape, or form that the day of Christ is at hand, i.e. that Jesus Christ can return at any moment!"
They are "in the dark", void of accurate Biblical knowledge, and they will be caught off guard, caught sleeping, when the true Messiah returns.
You see, whether a man is pope, bishop, elder, preacher, teacher, pastor, minister, deacon, usher, author, televangelist, or the paperboy, we have been instructed to check out what that man says in the Word of God.
Remember Paul said to "Prove all things; hold fast that which is good (1 Thes. 5:21)." Well, Paul was not, neither did he believe he was, nor did he attempt to, exempt himself from the "proving and the testing".
It is written in Acts 17 that those rascally Bereans checked him and Silas out real good, every day!
So Paul has now specifically told us in verse 3 that TWO THINGS must happen BEFORE we gather back to Jesus Christ.
What are those two things?
There must first come a falling away and the "man of sin", who is the "son of perdition", must be revealed. Who is this "man of sin", this "son of perdition"?
The word Greek word for "perdition" is a derivative of "apollumi" which means to fully destroy, i.e. die, perish:
apollumi, ap-ol'-loo-mee, Greek 622; from Greek 575 (apo) and the base of Greek 3639 (olethros); to destroy fully (reflexive to perish, or lose), literal or figurative :- destroy, die, lose, mar, perish.
The active participle of "apollumi" is "Appollyon" which is Satan's name in Rev. 9:11.
You see, there has only ever been one son who has been sentenced to "perish" in the lake of fire and that one son is the man of sin himself, Satan, the Devil, the Great Red Dragon, the soon coming Antichrist.
Judgment for everyone else, unless you are part of the First Resurrection, has been scheduled for the time following the Millennium known as the Great White Throne Judgment.
Here is some more info on the son of perdition:
2 Thes. 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
Have you read about that one who exalted himself above God in the first* earth age?
Isaiah 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
[13] For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
[14] I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
This same abominable one will be cast from heaven to this earth (Rev. 12:7-9) at the sound of the 6th Trump, which comes before our gathering back at the 7th Trump (the last one).
The 6th Trump is when Michael stands up (Dan. 12:1) and the time of trouble (spiritual trouble) begins such as never was since a nation was born nor ever shall be again.
Satan as antichrist, the false messiah, will once again exalt himself above God and he will sit in the temple, just as Paul explained in verse 4, and claim that he is God, i.e. the Messiah who has come to rapture you away.
Jesus Christ also told us in Mat 24 and Mark 13 about this abominable one who shall come before He returns, and when he does, stay away from him.
Matthew 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
[16] Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
Students of the book of Daniel (i.e. those who read it with understanding) know that this is the "desolator", the little horn, the vile person, which are ALL names of Satan.
He will not only deceive the whole world with a display of power and signs and lying wonders but he causes the great falling away, the great apostasy, when the majority of Christians begin to worship him as Jesus.
That my friend is a "great fall" indeed!
God bless
Peace
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Javan
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| ELI removed what he originally wrote: | | Do you believe that Jesus Christ can return at any moment -- If you do, why do you believe that? |
Yes, I do, because:
Matthew 24:43
But understand this: If the owner of the house had known at what time of night the thief was coming, he would have kept watch and would not have let his house be broken into.
1 Thessalonians 5:1-4
1 Now, brothers, about times and dates we do not need to write to you, 2 for you know very well that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. 3 While people are saying, "Peace and safety," destruction will come on them suddenly, as labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape. 4 But you, brothers, are not in darkness so that this day should surprise you like a thief.
Revelation 3:3
Remember, therefore, what you have received and heard; obey it, and repent. But if you do not wake up, I will come like a thief, and you will not know at what time I will come to you.
Revelation 16:15
"Behold, I come like a thief! Blessed is he who stays awake and keeps his clothes with him, so that he may not go naked and be shamefully exposed."
1 John 2:18
Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour.
1 John 4:3
but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world.
2 John 1:7
Many deceivers, who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh, have gone out into the world. Any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist.
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I have no desire to argue over the logistics of Revelation. Revelation is a spiritual book and too many people look for physical signs instead of looking at the spiritual signs. I will not debate over it because:
a) Doing so will prove nothing.
b) You have no desire to learn, only to teach. 
I posted the original verses in light of your false predictions. |
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ELI
Alley Cat
Joined: 03 Sep 2003
Posts: 181
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------"Revelation is a spiritual book"
BY ELI
You a full or just partial Preterist ?
If so -- then it's more than just your interpretation need help
Rev 1:3 Blessed [is] he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.
Peace-- out |
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Javan
Fierce Puppy
Joined: 09 Jan 2004
Posts: 235
Location: Canada
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Preterists believe that Jesus has already come and that Revelation had to do with the Roman Empire (again trying to explain everything physically). I do not hold to any view by any man. I am not pre-trib, post-trib, mid-trib, no-trib, preterist, futurist, millenialist, or any other ideas you have heard of.
The spirit of antichrist is alive and well within our churches (not all, but many - most?) deceiving and "marking" people right now. It's time to clean up our act and follow what the Bible says and stop following men and man's "wisdom".
Physically we do not see the dragon nor the beasts nor the creatures from the abyss nor the four horsemen nor losing a third of the sun (we'd all freeze for one thing) moon and stars. Why people insist that we will is beyond my understanding. |
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