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summertime
Big Pit Bull
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| RevJP wrote: |
Although, I could be wrong about the intent, it could be more an issue of insensitivity. Perhaps you are just more concerened about saying what you want to say than participating in a meaningful discussion. I'm not sure either way, just throwing out possibilities...
Unfortunately, I have to go to work right now, so I will be unable to wade through your post until later. |
One can speculate about intent, but that's about all one can do, unless the actions of the other person are visible and can be seen. It also helps to know them personally:) Do what I do: See a post you want to reply to? Click on quote, then take that quote and copy it into the program called Word or into a blank email and work on it when you can. Take a day or two or longer until you are satisfied with what you have. Simply come back to the forum, find the post you are replying to, click on quote, and copy your final draft in the reply box. There you have my secret! Believe me, I am far from insensitive and being unopen to discussions. Have a good day at work. |
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Da Blonde Bombshell
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Joined: 31 Jan 2003
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Location: Brooklyn NY (formerly TX)
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| Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2005 1:18 pm Post subject: |
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| To answer the question, yes, of course. To do otherwise harms families. |
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Nobby
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Location: Missouri
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| Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2005 4:43 pm Post subject: |
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 DBB, hi girl where have you been!!  We have missed you around here.
Come back & see us more!  |
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theseldomscene
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Joined: 17 Mar 2005
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| Posted: Tue May 03, 2005 7:27 pm Post subject: |
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summertime,
it just occured to me that the way i left my posts open in this thread, could make some think(like my wife for one) i'm trying to build an arguement for polygamy.
so i'll quickly show why i don't believe in polygamy and homosexaulity at the same time...
1tim. 3:1-2 this is a true saying; that if a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a *good work*. a bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife,...
1tim.3:12 let the deacons be the husbands of one wife.
so as a leader in HIS church i can be neither polygamist or homosexual and as a laymen i'm told this...
i thes. 5:15 see that none render evil for evil unto any man but *ever follow after that which is good*.
phil. 3:17-19 brethern, be followers together of me, and mark them which walk so, as ye have us for an example.
oh yeah, you must not believe that peters writings are the word of GOD either, because he said that pauls writings were scripture in...
2pet. 3 15-16 and account that the longsuffering of our LORD is salvation;
even as our beloved brother paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, *as they do also the other scriptures*, unto their own destruction.
in my humble opinion. jim.
p.s. i hope no one thought i was saying i wanted to be a polygamist. |
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summertime
Big Pit Bull
Joined: 21 Aug 2003
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| Posted: Wed May 04, 2005 5:33 am Post subject: |
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| jim stevenson wrote: | summertime,
it just occured to me that the way i left my posts open in this thread, could make some think(like my wife for one) i'm trying to build an arguement for polygamy.
so i'll quickly show why i don't believe in polygamy and homosexaulity at the same time...
1tim. 3:1-2 this is a true saying; that if a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a *good work*. a bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife,...
1tim.3:12 let the deacons be the husbands of one wife.
so as a leader in HIS church i can be neither polygamist or homosexual and as a laymen i'm told this...
i thes. 5:15 see that none render evil for evil unto any man but *ever follow after that which is good*.
phil. 3:17-19 brethern, be followers together of me, and mark them which walk so, as ye have us for an example.
oh yeah, you must not believe that peters writings are the word of GOD either, because he said that pauls writings were scripture in...
2pet. 3 15-16 and account that the longsuffering of our LORD is salvation;
even as our beloved brother paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, *as they do also the other scriptures*, unto their own destruction.
in my humble opinion. jim.
p.s. i hope no one thought i was saying i wanted to be a polygamist. |
Jim, your humble opinion has always been respected by me. But, again, it is just that...your opinion based on your personal concept of scripture and how scripture should be seen by an individual. My personal concept of the bible is that Jesus is the Word of God, not every literal word in the bible. Do you refer to these texts as scriptural law? If so, Jesus broke scriptural law.
P.S. - I don't think anyone thought you wanted to be a polygamist. |
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theseldomscene
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| Posted: Wed May 04, 2005 6:02 am Post subject: |
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thank you summertime.
i'm glad we agree on the point of our opinions being just that.
thanks for saying no one would think i wanted to be a polygamist. talk to you later friend. jim. |
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Da Blonde Bombshell
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Joined: 31 Jan 2003
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Location: Brooklyn NY (formerly TX)
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| Posted: Sun May 08, 2005 6:51 pm Post subject: |
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| jim stevenson wrote: | thank you summertime.
i'm glad we agree on the point of our opinions being just that.
thanks for saying no one would think i wanted to be a polygamist. talk to you later friend. jim. |
One Brother-in-law of mine would like ten wives. My sister-in-law says he can't handle the one he's got so how can he handle ten? |
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shann1126
Big Goldfish
Joined: 07 May 2005
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Location: Maryland
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| Posted: Sat May 14, 2005 11:06 am Post subject: Re: Homosexual, Marriage?? Yes or No? |
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| Nobby wrote: | Homosexual, marriage, do you believe it should be allowed  |
I do not believe in homosexual marriage and neither does God. As many times as he has stated that all homosexuals will have their part in the lake of fire, there should be no question.
In other words the only one that matters is THE ONE. If he did he has alot of apologizing to do to Sodom and Gomorrah.  |
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Nobby
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| Posted: Sat May 14, 2005 5:09 pm Post subject: |
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| shann, I'll asume that means no!! |
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FFT
Emperor of the Galaxy
Joined: 26 Mar 2005
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| Posted: Sat May 14, 2005 6:35 pm Post subject: Re: Homosexual, Marriage?? Yes or No? |
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| shann1126 wrote: | | I do not believe in homosexual marriage and neither does God. As many times as he has stated that all homosexuals will have their part in the lake of fire, there should be no question. |
The Lake of Fire is mentioned only in Revelation 19:20, 20:10, 20:14, and 20:15. None of these verses say anything about homosexuality.
| shann1126 wrote: | | If he did he has alot of apologizing to do to Sodom and Gomorrah. |
Sodom and Gomorrah were involved in a lot more amoral things than you think. Read the passage for yourself. |
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RevJP
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| Posted: Sun May 15, 2005 9:10 am Post subject: |
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| shann1126 You are way off base. Argue scripture, not some twisted version of what people want scritpure to actually say. |
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FFT
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| Posted: Sun May 15, 2005 10:54 am Post subject: |
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| RevJP: Amen! |
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shann1126
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| Posted: Sun May 15, 2005 2:02 pm Post subject: |
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OK this is where the conversation is, GREAT!
Well lets start with 1 Corinthians 6:9 (NIV)
"Do you not that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be decieved: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolators nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor HOMOSEXUAL OFFENDERS"...
Now how about Leviticus 18:22 (NIV)
"Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable."
And let me just say that Sodom and Gomorrah did have many other things going on with them that helped lead to there ultimate demise. I never said homosexuality was their sole reason for destruction FFT.
But that was a main factor and you can see that in the scriptures RevJP, lets look at Genesis 19:4 when the angels (in man form) were at Lot's house it states:
Before they had gone to bed[/b], ALL the men from every part of the city of Sodom-both young and old-surrounded the house. They called to Lot, "Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so we can have sex with them"
The key word is ALL.
Oh and FFT, maybe you need to brush up on your bible in Jude 1:7 Amplified Bible it states:
[The wicked are sentenced to suffer] just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the adjacent towns--which likewise gave themselves over to impurity and indulged in unnatural vice and sensual perversity--are laid out [in plain sight] as an exhibit of perpetual punishment [to warn] of everlasting fire.
Why is that so hard to grasp? Whether its lake of fire, everlasting fire, dark and gloomy cell, or whatever term its all hell. There is no good part.
After all where did the word sodomy come from? Think about it.  |
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shann1126
Big Goldfish
Joined: 07 May 2005
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Location: Maryland
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| Posted: Sun May 15, 2005 2:30 pm Post subject: Re: Homosexual, Marriage?? Yes or No? |
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| FFT wrote: | | shann1126 wrote: | | I do not believe in homosexual marriage and neither does God. As many times as he has stated that all homosexuals will have their part in the lake of fire, there should be no question. |
The Lake of Fire is mentioned only in Revelation 19:20, 20:10, 20:14, and 20:15. None of these verses say anything about homosexuality.
| shann1126 wrote: | | If he did he has alot of apologizing to do to Sodom and Gomorrah. |
Sodom and Gomorrah were involved in a lot more amoral things than you think. Read the passage for yourself. |
Now if I'm reading Genesis 18 NIV correctly, there are no other specific sins that were written according to these two cities. He actually tells us about what the men in the town wanted. They wanted to have sex with the two angels. Now correct me if I'm wrong, but what else was there?
The Lord states in verse 20:
"The outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is so great and their sin so grievous that I will go down and see if what they have done is as bad as the outcry that has reached me. If not, I will know."
So please verify, what else was there?
Read the passage for yourself! |
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FFT
Emperor of the Galaxy
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Location: Memphis
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| Posted: Sun May 15, 2005 9:40 pm Post subject: |
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shann1126 says: "Now correct me if I'm wrong, but what else was there?"
The fact that they wanted to rape the angels didn't occur to you?
Which is a greater sin, in your eyes? Rape, or homosexuality? |
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