How the Holy Spirit Leads Us.

vsjb34 · Fierce Poodle Joined: 04 Aug 2003 Posts: 281

Gswisher,

I see this disturbing trend with your posts. Anytime the Bible talks about something negative you are ready to reject it because it bothers you.

If you never feel the need to ask for forgiveness I question whether you have the Holy Spirit dwelling in you convicting you of Sin.

Once again you are showing your selectiveness to "roll your own" god. Until you can submit to the whole Bible as being true and inerrant in all it contains you will go no further. I also contend that you are not a Christian no matter what you call yourself presently.

gswisher · Rabid Pit Bull Joined: 04 Jun 2003 Posts: 421

vsjb34 · Fierce Poodle Joined: 04 Aug 2003 Posts: 281

I have yet to see you accept anyone's admonition. You will yield to no one, not even Jesus Christ the Savior.

gswisher · Rabid Pit Bull Joined: 04 Jun 2003 Posts: 421

Now you know my heart? Where is your heart? So quick to condemn rather than try to understand a different perspective. I'm glad God is my judge rather than men. When he sees me he does not see the sins, the faults, the blindness and strong-headedness. He sees Christ, His righteousness. Any natural man can condemn and belittle. This is done by the letter which kills. The testimony of the Spirit is life and freedom from human forms and traditions. You should be careful with your judgements, because you will be under the same cloud yourself. No one can live in the letter.
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The God of our Lord Jesus Christ give to you a spirit of wisdom and revelation in the FULL knowledge of Him.--Eph 1:17

vsjb34 · Fierce Poodle Joined: 04 Aug 2003 Posts: 281

Since I don't hear any denials of my contentions I just tell you this, God is the one who judges you. I am just telling you what His judgement is according to His Holy Word. I do not condemn you, you are already condemned. I would not want to live under that sword of judgement for another second if I were you. Who knows if this may be your last day?

gswisher · Rabid Pit Bull Joined: 04 Jun 2003 Posts: 421

And how is it you know and proclaim that God condemns me?
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The God of our Lord Jesus Christ give to you a spirit of wisdom and revelation in the FULL knowledge of Him.--Eph 1:17

vsjb34 · Fierce Poodle Joined: 04 Aug 2003 Posts: 281

Read Romans 8:9.

gswisher · Rabid Pit Bull Joined: 04 Jun 2003 Posts: 421

No.

You said you proclaim me as condemned based on your contentions.

vsjb34 · Fierce Poodle Joined: 04 Aug 2003 Posts: 281

Again you are showing your true colors. You have no answer to Romans 8:9 do you? It judges you not I. God's Word is a sword that cuts to the division of joint and marrow and it hurts doesn't it?

gswisher · Rabid Pit Bull Joined: 04 Jun 2003 Posts: 421

Ron · Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2003 9:47 pm Post subject:

This is the conclusion of the piece I was putting together on the Holy Spirit.

The Mistreatment of the Holy Spirit

Now, having discussed the ministry of the Holy Spirit, I want to mention three tragic sins against the Holy Spirit. And, when we think of who this wonderful person is, and all that He does for us, you can understand why these are tragic sins.

1. THE HOLY SPIRIT MAY B STUBBORNLY RESISTED
Read Acts 7:51. The people are angry at Stephen because he's preaching the Word of God without fear or favor. Later, they decide to kill him. But, here's what he says to these people. "Ye stiff-necked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye."

Stephen said they were stiff-necked, they were hard-hearted, their ears were stopped up, and they were resisting the Holy Spirit.

There are some people who say the Holy Spirit cannot be resisted. They say there's nothing you can do about it, that some people are just predestined to be saved, and it is impossible for anybody to resist this grace. This doctrine is called irresistible grace and it doesn't ring true with
the passage in Acts 7:51.

The Holy Spirit can be resisted. God will not force you to love Him or follow Him because forced love is a contradiction in terms.
Stephen was a man filled with the Holy Spirit. When the people resisted his message they resisted the Holy Spirit of God. You cannot come to Jesus unless the Holy Spirit of God draws you to Him.

But, you can resist Him. And, if you continue to resist Him you may cross God's deadline.

Matthew 12:31 is one of the most terrifying passages of scripture in all of the Bible. Jesus said, "Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men."

Jesus said there's one sin that can't be forgiven and that is to blaspheme the Holy Ghost. The word "blaspheme" means to speak reproachfully and hurtfully against.

In verse 32, He says, “And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.”

There is a sin that can never, never, never, never, ever be forgiven and that is to blaspheme the Holy Spirit. Jesus says you can blaspheme Him and be forgiven. But, you can't blaspheme the Holy Spirit and be forgiven.

What is the difference? Is the Holy Spirit superior to Jesus? Of course not. God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit are co-equal and co-etemal. But, there's a difference in ministry. The ministry of Jesus is the ministry of redemption. The ministry of the Holy Spirit is the ministry of revelation. It is the Holy Spirit of God that turns the light on.

You see, a person can blaspheme Jesus. A person might say in ignorance, "I don't believe He's the Son of God. I just believe that He's a false prophet." That person can say this in ignorance and Jesus can intercede, "Father, forgive him. He knows not what he does."

But, a person who sins against the Holy Spirit sins against light. The Holy Spirit is the One who opens his heart, convicts him of sin and draws him to Christ. The Holy Spirit says this is who Jesus is. The person knows it. But, with his eyes wide open, out of stubbornness, he resists the Holy Spirit, just like those people who stoned Stephen.

There comes a time when you can hear the Word of God and you can commit this unpardonable sin. You can resist what God is saying. You can make up reasons and excuses for not getting right with God, and your heart will get harder and harder. Jesus said, "You can't come except I
draw you."

Don't get the idea that one day you can just whistle and say, "God, come save me." Oh, no. If the Holy Spirit of God ceases to strive, then where are you? In Genesis 6:3, God says, "My Spirit shall not always strive with man ...”

There comes a time when the Holy Spirit of God can be so refused, so insulted, so despised that He crosses the deadline. The Holy Spirit of God can be resisted. In Proverbs 1:23-25, the Lord is speaking to a lost sinner. He says, “Turn you at My reproof: behold, I will pour out My spirit unto you, I will make known My words unto you. Because I have called, and ye refused; I have stretched out My hand, and no man regarded; But ye have set at nought all My counsel, and would none of My reproof.

Now here is the decision of the sinner. God stretches out His hand, God calls, God pours out His spirit, and the person says “No.” That’s his decision. He foolishly fights the One who loves him so.

Now, after the decision of the sinner there comes the desolation of the sinner. Proverbs 1:26-27 says, "I also will laugh at your calamity; I will mock when your fear cometh. When your fear cometh as desolation ..." What is desolation? When you're left alone.

There comes first a hardened decision and then a hopeless desolation. The Lord doesn't speak anymore. And the Bible says God will laugh. This is not the laughter of humor - it's the laughter of irony. God's hand is no longer stretching out. God's voice is no longer calling. The sinner is
desolate.

You'll find this same truth in Hosea 4:17 where God says, "Ephraim is joined to idols: let him alone." Do you know what it means to be joined to idols? It means that he's married to his idols. He has made up his mind.

God may be saying to somebody right now, "He's married to his liquor; let him alone. He's married to his adultery; let him alone. He's married to his pleasure; let him alone. He's married to his profanity; let him alone."

Finally, there's the destruction of the sinner. Proverbs 1:27 says, "When your fear cometh as desolation, and your destruction cometh as a whirlwind; when distress and anguish cometh upon you." The judgment of God comes like a tornado dropping out of the sky. And, the lost sinner is carried away to perdition.

Verses 28 and 29 of that same chapter say, "Then shall they call upon Me, but I will not answer; they shall seek Me early, but they shall not find Me: for that they hated knowledge, and did not choose the fear of the Lord."
Many will come to the final judgment and say, "Oh God have mercy." But, you cannot spit in the face of God. You cannot insult the Holy Spirit of God. You cannot hurtfully, despitefully say no.

What a tragic sin it is to stubbornly resist the Holy Spirit. Don't resist the Holy Spirit. Don't say no to the God who is stretching out His hand to you, the God who is calling you, drawing you, and convicting you.

2. THE HOLY SPIRIT MAY BE SINFULLY GRIEVED

In Ephesians 4:30, the apostle Paul says, "And grieve not the Holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption." Paul is talking to Christians, to those who have already been saved. Did you know that Christians can sin against the Holy Spirit?

What grieves the Holy Sprit? Sin. The Bible says, “Let him that stole steal no more: but rather let him labor, working with his hands the thing which is good, that he may have to give to him that needeth. Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the
use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers. And grieve not the Holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption. (Ephesians 4:28-30)

What grieves the Holy Spirit is sin in my heart, in your heart, in my life, in your life. He is the Holy Spirit. I am His temple. If I have unconfessed, unrepented of sin in my heart He is grieved. The word "grieve" is a love word. You can only grieve a person that loves you. Your neighbor's
children will vex you. Your own children will grieve you. Do you see the difference?

Did you know that when I get a filthy, dirty sin in my heart and in my life - a grudge, attitude, or dishonesty - I grieve the Spirit of God? Do you want to grieve the One who has done so much for you? Do you want to break His heart?

3. THE HOLY SPIRIT MAY BE SHAMEFULLY QUENCHED

First Thessalonians 5:19 says, "Quench not the Spirit."

The idea is that the Holy Spirit is a burning flame in your heart. Don't smother that flame. Don't quench the fire that's there to make the Lord Jesus Christ real to you. This flame is a gentle flame that can be snuffed out. The Holy Spirit is there to lead you, comfort you, guide you, and instruct you. He is so sensitive that He can be easily quenched.

Do you know the difference between the spirit of this world and the Holy Spirit? The devil shoves. The Holy Spirit guides. The Holy Spirit speaks in a still, small voice. He never shouts. He never shoves.

Do you know why? It's because He is so gentle. He's like a dove which is easily driven away. That's not to say that He's afraid of you, but the emblem is of a dove and of a flame. That dove sort of flies away. That flame is put out.

Do you know that's the reason you need a quiet time? To listen. The Holy Spirit is not going to shout. If you feel something between your shoulder blades shoving you, that's not the Holy Spirit. No. The gentle Holy Spirit of God will lead you, speak to you, guide you, and teach you. But, you have to listen. You have to be sensitive. Don't put out the fire. Don't quench the Holy Spirit of God. He is there to guide you, to lead you, to bless you, to help you, to love you, to comfort you.

The Holy Spirit may be stubbornly resisted. He may be sinfully grieved. He may be shamefully quenched.

If you're not saved, don't resist Him. Be converted. If you are saved with sin in your heart, don't grieve Him. Be clean. And, if you are saved and clean, don't quench Him. Be compliant. Say, "I'm here Lord, what do You want out of me? Lead me, guide me, direct me, speak to me, Lord. I'm
listening."

We have a dear friend. He is the Holy Spirit. He is to us what Jesus Christ was to the disciples when they were here on earth. And, we are to be to Him what the disciples were to Jesus. He is our Best Friend.

Comments please. God bless.
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"He that hath ears to hear, let him hear." Matthew 11:15

Yours in Christ with much love,
Ron

http://www.arkwebshost.com/theology/ron

Van · Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2003 6:13 am Post subject: Comments Please

Ron, I very much enjoyed this second part of your teaching concerning the Holy Spirit.

Lines that presented ideas that were fresh to me:

Grieve is a love word, other kids vex, your kids grieve.
The ministry of the Holy Spirit is revelation, and so to blaspheme the Holy Spirit is to reject the revelation of God.