Will only 144,000 people go to heaven?

kris007 · Sea Monkey Joined: 09 Feb 2004 Posts: 12

revelations 20:2
And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

revelations 20:6

Blessed and holy [is] he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

and also revelations 20:7 , 8 and 9

And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom [is] as the sand of the sea.
And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

this proves to me that jesus will reign on earth for 1000 years after the final beast

if it isn't on earth , uhm how can satan then gather all those nations and attack the saints(christians ) ??

where would they reign according to you ? do you have an alternative ?

and if you doubt that the 1000 years is really 1000 years then you might have a problem too , the bible is the truth and nothing but the truth , the bible is infallable , if you say that 1000 years aren't 1000 years then you say the bible is wrong , that is the same as what some try to prove with the gaptheorie in genesis

also about the issue that those souls were seperated from their bodies , if anyone can recreate those bodies it is god , he created everything so recreating a few bodies won't be a problem for him , he also says they will be priests , that sounds like they have a body to me , the priests we know now seem to have one , no reason to change that .

if you think that i am wrong , plse feel free to explain to me why and also tell me what your alternative is ?

Ron · Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2004 2:51 pm Post subject:

gswisher · Rabid Pit Bull Joined: 04 Jun 2003 Posts: 421

kris007 wrote:
and if you doubt that the 1000 years is really 1000 years then you might have a problem too , the bible is the truth and nothing but the truth , the bible is infallable , if you say that 1000 years aren't 1000 years then you say the bible is wrong , that is the same as what some try to prove with the gaptheorie in genesis

Then the Lamb is a literal lamb, the beast is a literal beast, stars are just stars, the scroll john ate was literal, etc., etc...
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kris007 · Sea Monkey Joined: 09 Feb 2004 Posts: 12

i guess you could be right about that ron , you prolly know alot more about scripture than me , but :

revelation 20:3 ,5 and 7

the scripture talks about "the thousand years "

it is true however that it also says 2 times in verse 2 and 4
"a thousand years"

but i think that it still means 1000 years , cause in rev 20:5 it says:

"But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This [is] the first resurrection."

i just think that if you don't take the 1000 years literal , but just as a very long time then how long does it take before everyone else is judged ??
and what about the forever and ever then ? is that also just a very very long time and not the same as eternity ??

and to answer gswisher :
i know that not everything is literal and certain things are just comparisons , but in this particular case about the thousand years and when the scripture refers to a certain period of time and to dates i think unless the scripture itself indicates that it is a comparison we have to take it literally

and also if you or ron or anyone else has a good explanation why we shouldn't take those 1000 years literal then be so free to post it , if i am wrong then i am wrong , i am not saying that i know for sure that those 1000 years are 1000 years , it is just my personal opinion

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Javan · Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2004 9:57 am Post subject:

One day is as a thousand years...a thousand years as one day ( 2 Peter 3:8 )

The statements cancel themselves out - time is meaningless to God. We only have a linear concept of time, but time in Revelation (according to God and/or the spiritual realm) is relative and does not correlate with "earth time" at all.
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larryjf · Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2004 11:25 am Post subject:

Does that mean the earth could have been created in 7,000 years instead of 7 days??

In 2 Peter 3:8 in context is speaking of God coming to judge mankind.

2 Peter 3:3,4
Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as [they were] from the beginning of the creation.

What Peter is saying here is that just because it is a long time to us, that doesn't mean it is a long time to God.
Peter is not saying that God does not know the difference between 1,000 years and 1 day.

If God says something will happen for 1,000 years - it will.
If God says something was created in 7 days - it was.

Javan · Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2004 11:53 am Post subject:

John was looking at spiritual events in Revelation...not physical events.

Since when do we physically see Satan and angels (I'm not saying that people have never seen angels in "disguise")? We do not see the spiritual realm around us. I highly doubt that linear time has any effect on spiritual beings.

The seven days of creation is referring to our physical sense of time - "evening and morning". Daniel's prophecies always referred to physical events and physical times. Jesus was physcally dead for three days. But with God all these times are inconsequential - He sees the beginning and the end all rolled into one.
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kris007 · Sea Monkey Joined: 09 Feb 2004 Posts: 12

i have to say that i agree with you larryjf

javan , when Peter says "One day is as a thousand years...a thousand years as one day" ( 2 Peter 3:8 )
he says that for God time has no meaning , but where does he say that God = scripture ??
show me in what verse he says that ?
the scripture is inspired by God but it isn't God

and in revelation when john talks about those 1000 years he says 3 times "the thousand years " , hhmm that sounds to me like he means 1000 years and not just a very long period of time

you can't choose which dates and periods of time are literal and which aren't , either they all are or none of them are .

Javan · Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2004 3:45 pm Post subject:

Ron · Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2004 10:47 am Post subject:

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Zathrus · Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2004 11:16 am Post subject:

Mind if I volunteer my $.02? On the subject of the 144,000, read this description of them in Rev 7:

thunder · Lion King Joined: 13 Sep 2003 Posts: 1222

144,000 .... ?

What an interesting position to take considering the ages past combined with the current billions per earth capita.

Trillions of people are known to have lived, died ... during the earth age ... and to think that a mere 144,000 are custom picked to fill a heavenly expance and eternal ether of everlasting immortality.

Heaven will be nearly hollow if that were true ... yes ... no ?

thunder
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