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Mattathias
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| doctrellor wrote: | | since as a modalist, the three are the same being, just at different points in time... |
And yet one mode is with another mode in John 1:1? 
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doctrellor
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| Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 5:00 pm Post subject: |
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Come on JB .. now your ignoring me ...
If you don't/cant answer the question, just say so ..
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Now as a Modalist ... (I'm assuming your either a Modalist or an Arian .. still trying to figure it out)
You must hate the idea that Jesus says that "the father is greather than I"
since as a modalist, the three are the same being, just at different points in time...
So when Jesus was dead (non-thinking, sleeping, etc) in the grave .. Where was God?
Did God die as well?
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Mattathias
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| Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 5:03 pm Post subject: |
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| JB wrote: | | I find that assertion to be quite interesting since you used very little if any scriptures in this discussion. |
I quoted some and alluded to others.
| Quote: | | And in addition to that you didn't even respond to any that I quoted. |
One at a time, otherwise the conversation becomes unmanageable.
| Quote: | | All I saw was your attempt to apprehend God from a totally humanistic approach. |
Wowzer!
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JB
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| Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 5:07 pm Post subject: |
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doctrellor,
You guys are starting to give me gas. 
7 For there are three that testify: 8 the Spirit, the water and the blood; and the three are in agreement. (1 John 5:7-8, NIV)
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doctrellor
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| Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 5:07 pm Post subject: |
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| Mattathias wrote: | | doctrellor wrote: | | since as a modalist, the three are the same being, just at different points in time... |
And yet one mode is with another mode in John 1:1? |
Yes I know it sounds strange, cause in some aspects it is ...
Modalists believe that Jesus is YHWH for the entire time that Jesus wasn't on earth, which is why Modalists don't accept a pre-existance of Jesus.
Jesus was of course himself when here on earth
And now Jesus is seen as the Holy Spirit once Jesus ascended
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So When YHWH is talking to my Lord (OT), it must mean that YHWH is talking to himself. Or when Jesus is praying in Gethsemane .. he must be praying to himself ... or when Jesus sits at the right hand of YHWH ...
well, you get the picture..
I know it sounds strange, but hey ..
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doctrellor
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| Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 5:10 pm Post subject: |
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| JB wrote: | doctrellor,
You guys are starting to give me gas.
7 For there are three that testify: 8 the Spirit, the water and the blood; and the three are in agreement. (1 John 5:7-8, NIV)
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Dude, that verse is totally bogus ...
We're starting to give you gas? LOL, then take a pill, and get back here and answer my question that I asked now .. oh .. 3 times
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Mattathias
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| Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 5:13 pm Post subject: |
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| doctrellor wrote: | | ...which is why Modalists don't accept a pre-existance of Jesus. |
JB does.
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doctrellor,
This thread has become quite amusing. You expect that I should answer the questions that you and Matthias have, but yet neither of you have responded to the Greek constructions or any thing that I offered in this discussion. What gives you the idea that this is your thread? Respect should be mutual. You aren't interested in learning and growing with others but your interest is to attempt to discredit those who have a different view. So, having said that, I have no more answers to offer to your questions.
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doctrellor
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| Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 5:20 pm Post subject: |
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| JB wrote: | doctrellor,
This thread has become quite amusing. You expect that I should answer the questions that you and Matthias have, but yet neither of you have responded to the Greek constructions or any thing that I offered in this discussion. What gives you the idea that this is your thread? Respect should be mutual. You aren't interested in learning and growing with others but your interest is to attempt to discredit those who have a different view. So, having said that, I have no more answers to offer to your questions.
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ok .. cool .. so in your own way .. you don't want to answer the question I had .. [fair enough]
ok. here is 1 important question for ya JB ..
Can you spell out your Christiology for me, so I can see just what you believe .. since if you beleive in the pre-extence of Jesus and you agree with us that the Trinity is a fable ...
then it would help us out what you believe Christ is to you ... and for me, can you state what the beliefs are, and if possible a verse or two to justify the beleifs ..
that would greatly help ..
Thx ..
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Mattathias
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| Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 5:22 pm Post subject: |
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| JB wrote: | | ...yet neither of you have responded to the Greek constructions... |
I accepted the constructions you offered!
| Quote: | | ... or any thing that I offered in this discussion. |
But I have responded to various things you've said!
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Mattathias
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| Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 5:26 pm Post subject: |
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| JB wrote: | | So, having said that, I have no more answers to offer to your questions. |
This works for me.
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Mattathias
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| Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 5:28 pm Post subject: |
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doctrellor.
Shema Yisrael Adonai elohenu Adonai echad.
Can you dig it? 
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doctrellor
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| Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 5:28 pm Post subject: |
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| Mattathias wrote: | doctrellor.
Shema Yisrael Adonai elohenu Adonai echad.
Can you dig it? |
high 5 brother ..
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| Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 5:31 pm Post subject: |
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('Hear Israel, The LORD our GOD, The LORD is One!')
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Mattathias
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| Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 5:34 pm Post subject: |
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| JB wrote: | | ('Hear Israel, The LORD our GOD, The LORD is One!') |
Very good. The creed that identifies the God of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and Jesus.
In your view, John is telling us that Jesus was literally with his (and "our") God. So how can you confuse Jesus' God (LORD) with Jesus? Psalm 110:1 makes such a confusion of persons impossible!
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