Jesus emptied himself of...

doctrellor · Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 4:26 pm Post subject:

The growth of the doctrine of a triune God, is briefly but plainly, set forth in the following facts:

A.D. 29 Jesus said, "The Lord our God is one Lord" (Mark 12:29).

A.D. 57 Paul said, "To us there is but one God" (1 Cor. 8:6).

A.D. 96 Clement said, "Christ was sent by God".

A.D. 120 "Apostles' Creed": "I believe in God the Father".

A.D. 150 Justin Martyr, introduces Greek Philosophy.

A.D. 170 The word "Trias", appears first in Christian literature.

A.D. 200. "Trinitas" is first introduced by Tertullian.

A.D. 280 Origen, opposes prayers to Christ.

A.D. 260 Sabellius: "Father, Son and Holy Ghost are three names for the same God".

A.D. 300 Trinitarian prayers unknown in the Church.

A.D. 325 "Nicene Creed" afflrms Christ to be "Very God of Very God".

A.D. 370 Doxology composed.

A.D. 381. Council of Constantinople invents "Three persons in One God".

A.D. 388 Emperor Theodosius threatens punishment to all who won't worship the Trinity.

A.D. 519 Doxology ordered to be sung in all the Churches.

A.D. 669 Clergy commanded to commit to memory the "Athanasian Creed".

*note: The Ante-Nicene fathers ALL were subordinationist .. "The Father is greater than I" .. which was twisted by the Trinitarians/Modalists to the two are equal in every respect .. against the words of Jesus himself .. so that Trinitarians and Modalists ALL have to call Jesus a liar!
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JB · Tiger Joined: 16 Feb 2008 Posts: 865

Matthias and Doctrellor,

I ahve alot more where those came from. The idea of the Trinity as a Constantine is a real screw up and is a fable my friends.

JB

JB · Tiger Joined: 16 Feb 2008 Posts: 865

Doctrellor,

I want to start by apologizing for spelling your name wrong.

What you just posted doesn't remove the trinitarian idea from the early Church.

JB

JB · Tiger Joined: 16 Feb 2008 Posts: 865

Revelation 5:14

And the four beasts said, Amen. And the four [and] twenty elders fell down and worshipped him that liveth for ever and ever.

Wow They worshiped the Lamb that was slain. Not a good things seeing your God is a jealous God.

JB

JB · Tiger Joined: 16 Feb 2008 Posts: 865

Gentlemen,

This discussion is obviously not going any place. I se the scriptures as supporting the Deity of Christ and you don't. I guess this is the end of the line.

God Bless and keep seeking the King (Jesus)

JB

JB · Tiger Joined: 16 Feb 2008 Posts: 865

Rocket,

The Old Testament is filled with truth about the deity of Christ. I pray that the eyes of your heart will be opened.

JB

Mattathias · Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 4:37 pm Post subject:

doctrellor · Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 4:38 pm Post subject:

JB · Tiger Joined: 16 Feb 2008 Posts: 865

doctrellor'

I was referring to your idea that the Trinity began sometime during the third century. But I too agree that the trinity is most likely a fable.

JB

doctrellor · Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 4:41 pm Post subject:

Now as a Modalist ...

You must hate the idea that Jesus says that "the father is greather than I"

since as a modalist, the three are the same being, just at different points in time...

So when Jesus was dead (non-thinking, sleeping, etc) in the grave .. Where was God?

Did God die as well?
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Mattathias · Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 4:44 pm Post subject:

JB · Tiger Joined: 16 Feb 2008 Posts: 865

Matthias,

If you were to hold a shoe box in front of your face, can you see both sides of that box? Most likely no. Can God? Most likely yes. Can you explain that ? Most likely no. Does God need to explain that? Most likely no.

Why then does God have to explain to you how He can do things beyond our comprehension. It isn't about your ability to comprehend, it is about Him being God and a God that created the universe and all that was in it.

JB

doctrellor · Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 4:47 pm Post subject:

Come on JB .. answer this question for me ... Smile

Now as a Modalist ... (I'm assuming your either a Modalist or an Arian .. still trying to figure it out)

You must hate the idea that Jesus says that "the father is greather than I"

since as a modalist, the three are the same being, just at different points in time...

So when Jesus was dead (non-thinking, sleeping, etc) in the grave .. Where was God?

Did God die as well?
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Mattathias · Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 4:50 pm Post subject:

JB · Tiger Joined: 16 Feb 2008 Posts: 865

Mattathias,

You said:

I have no problem comprehending from scripture that YHWH alone, not YHWH and Jesus, is the only true God

I find that assertion to be quite interesting since you used very little if any scriptures in this discussion. And in addition to that you didn't even respond to any that I quoted. All I saw was your attempt to apprehend God from a totally humanistic approach.

JB