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doctrellor
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Go ahead and answer Mattathias' good questions while I sit here and enjoy my popcorn 
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Mattathias
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| Posted: Fri Oct 03, 2008 6:48 pm Post subject: Re: Scriptures that may point to His deity |
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| james wrote: | | I am looking to objectively look at the scriptures and input given as well as commentary and theological opinions on each scripture. |
I commend you on your Berean attitude, James. Your questions and comments are causing me to think deeply about what I believe and why I believe it. Thank you. 
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Paul2
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| Posted: Fri Oct 03, 2008 8:42 pm Post subject: |
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Hi james,
| You wrote: | | Matt 1:23 ....and they shall call His name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, GOD WITH US. |
God was with Israel (us) in plan and purpose. "Us" included Christ as he was a member of that nation.
| You wrote: | | John 2:19-21... destroy this temple and in three days I will raise it up...speaking of His body |
Jesus would raise his body up, meaning he would stand up from a horizontal position, having been roused from death by his Father. His Father is the only true God (see John 17:3).
| You wrote: | | John 1:6-10.....John came to bare witness of the Light ....and the world was made by Him |
The word "by" is being used in the sense of "by means of".
Jn 1:10 In the world He was, and the world came into being through Him,...
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Ryck
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| Posted: Sat Oct 04, 2008 12:05 pm Post subject: |
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| james wrote: | other scriptures;
Matt 1:23 ....and they shall call His name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, GOD WITH US.
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You've said something like this in another Trinity discussion which you walked away from.
Names have meaning but going so literal with them is absurd. I'll give you examples of that, if you wish.
Jesus never said he was God but is God's Son. That's in agreement with John 3:16 where Scripture says that God sent his Son, not Himself.
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John 2:19-21... destroy this temple and in three days I will raise it up...speaking of His body
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Scripture says that Jesus would be dead for three days. When you're dead, you do not keep track of time. 
Then you have Acts 2:24 where Peter says: "24 But God raised him from the dead ..."
Peter was speaking under the power of God's spirit of tongues of fire so all sorts of men of different languages would understand this. I do not see people going away thinking that Jesus raised himself.
Sometimes Jesus speaks illustratively so you have to understand the picture of what Jesus was saying, not the brush strokes. |
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james
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| Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 8:16 pm Post subject: |
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Ryck,
| Quote: | | You've said something like this in another Trinity discussion which you walked away from. |
Please direct me to that discussion. I usually will not answer if I am satisfied with anothers response, or feel my question has been answered, and then again there was the JW discussions which went nowhere. |
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Mattathias
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| Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 5:35 pm Post subject: |
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| james wrote: | | John 1:6-10.....John came to bare witness of the Light ....and the world was made by Him ....speaking of the Light who I believe was Christ for He was the one John came to bare witness of. |
Were the heavens and the earth made by Jesus or by YHWH?
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JB
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james,
If you are interested in Good Bible discussion, Matthias and doctrellor aren't the people to talk to. They very seldom use scriptures and very rarely listen to your idea on a scriptural texts. Ultimately they resort to a humanistic unbiblical and philosophical parade that seems to be a little bit shallow and actually quite disrespectful.
I would recommend that you go else where for healthy Bible discussion.
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Ryck
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| Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 8:08 pm Post subject: |
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| james wrote: | Ryck,
| Quote: | | You've said something like this in another Trinity discussion which you walked away from. |
Please direct me to that discussion. I usually will not answer if I am satisfied with anothers response, or feel my question has been answered, and then again there was the JW discussions which went nowhere. |
It was elsewhere in this forum. I don't know exactly myself. I remember the subject but not where the discussion was held.
No biggie. I'm sure it will come up again. We'll discuss it again when the time is right. |
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doctrellor
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| Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 2:53 am Post subject: |
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| JB wrote: | james,
If you are interested in Good Bible discussion, Matthias and doctrellor aren't the people to talk to.
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Go ahead and call the Kettle Black why dont ya ...lol; And who was refusing to answer my questions?
You just keep on talking JB .. And dig that hole deeper ...
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JB
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doctrellor,
You said:
Go ahead and call the Kettle Black why dont ya ...lol; And who was refusing to answer my questions?
Interesting! Neither you or your fine feathered friend responded to any of the scriptural texts that I posted and I see that the two of you have patterned yourselves in this manner in many other threads. Doesn't sound much like Bible discussion to me.
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Ryck
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| james wrote: | | What about 1 Cor 10:4 concerning the passage that quotes that Rock in the wilderness was Christ. And verse 9 which states they tempted Christ, speaking of the Children of Israel in the wilderness. |
Are you referring to the same 1 Corinthians which a chapter later Paul says that the head of every man is Christ, the head of every woman is man, and the head of Christ is God?
I think that whatever you want to say regarding 1 Co 10:4 and verse 9 you have to keep in mind what he says later at 1Co 11:3. I do not believe that Paul says at 1Co 10:4 and 9 the way you think he says. |
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Mattathias
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| Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 3:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Ryck wrote: | | ...Paul says that the head of every man is Christ, the head of every woman is man, and the head of Christ is God |
Great point. Who is this God who is the head of the Messiah? Does the Messiah's God have a name? Isn't the Messiah's God and Father said to be our God and Father in scripture?
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james
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| Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 3:22 pm Post subject: |
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| JB wrote: | james,
If you are interested in Good Bible discussion, Matthias and doctrellor aren't the people to talk to. They very seldom use scriptures and very rarely listen to your idea on a scriptural texts. Ultimately they resort to a humanistic unbiblical and philosophical parade that seems to be a little bit shallow and actually quite disrespectful.
I would recommend that you go else where for healthy Bible discussion.
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There is not one person on this site which has not given me insite or 'something to chew on'. All are valued and when one goes missing it is noticed, this includes Atoz, whom I have noticed has not been around for quite a while. The day I consider someone's opinion useless or shut off myself from someone is the day I have become too self-righteous for myself and anyone elses own good.
Remember God used Balaam to bless Israel, He can use anyone to grow us, if we are willing to grow.
I am just using Balaam as an example of the extemeties God will go to to bless someone, I am refering to no one on this site as a 'Balaam'. |
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Mattathias
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| Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 3:42 pm Post subject: |
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| james wrote: | | There is not one person on this site which has not given me insite or 'something to chew on'. All are valued and when one goes missing it is noticed... The day I consider someone's opinion useless or shut off myself from someone is the day I have become too self-righteous for myself and anyone elses own good. |
These are great words of wisdom! I'm going to print this jewel and keep it by my computer. Thanks.
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james
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| Mattathias wrote: | | Ryck wrote: | | ...Paul says that the head of every man is Christ, the head of every woman is man, and the head of Christ is God |
Great point. Who is this God who is the head of the Messiah? Does the Messiah's God have a name? Isn't the Messiah's God and Father said to be our God and Father in scripture? |
In reading this Gen 1:26-27 comes to mind - And God said, let us make man in our image, after our likeness....... So God created man in His own image, in the image of God created He him; Male and female created He them.
Is it not reasonable to conclude that God created man, male and female, in His image, thus saying God is male and female. Female speaking throughout scriptures in refence to the bride. And this scripture also shows conflict with the trinity doctrine. |
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