TBax
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 Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 2:42 pm Post subject: |
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dabmci,
| dabmci wrote: | | TBax wrote: | God doesn't need anything!!!  God loves to give life and bestow privilege and glory and responsibility upon his intelligent creatures. |
Tipical answer from you. You seem to have the inside on what God was thinking when it came to creation. So God created god (Jesus) to create other people? Well that is how you believe it to be. That sounds like confusion to me. |
You believe God "needs" something"???
God created 2 humans so that other humans could be made. Is that confusing to you?
The Bible tells us All things were created through Jesus. It also tells us that Jesus had an origin, as the firstborn of all creation. 
| dabmci wrote: | | TBax wrote: | | I take it you do not believe it was in Adam's power to remain sinless? You do not believe Adam was created perfect? |
Sorry I should have made clear that I was talking about after we recieved our curse of being sinful from Adam. I understood that God's created man good or very good not perfect. Gen. 1;31 I could be wrong now.
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What does "perfect" mean to you?
That still doesn't answer this: I take it you do not believe it was in Adam's power to remain sinless?
| dabmci wrote: | | TBax wrote: | | Do you believe the angels were created with a sinfull nature??? Do you beleive the angels need redemption? |
I don't know you tell me. |
You need me to tell you what you believe? 
| dabmci wrote: | | It seem to me at some point they had the ability to sin or not to sin right? |
Yes. God endows his intelligent creatures with free will. They can choose to sin, or they can choose to be perfectly faithful. As recorded in the Bible Jesus had this choice as well when he was on earth. Remember?
| dabmci wrote: | | Why are you talking about angels anyway? |
Because of your question. Jesus not having a sinful nature doesn't make him God any more then the faithful angels are God for not having a sinful nature. The scripture was not talking about spirit creatures but humans having a sinful nature. Angels are created beings as well. - i.e. That doesn't mean Jesus has to be God because he was sinless and could reedem us. To the contrary. Jesus corresponded to Adam as a perfect man, and he gave that up to buy us back. 
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