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Bouncer
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 Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 4:34 pm Post subject: Another ID deception |
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ID does not stand alone. Without the Theory of Evolution, ID would have nothing to say.
Funny when I wrote this several weeks ago I had no idea how often this thought would be validated.
I just finished an interesting article, (interesting not from a new information standpoint but interesting in it's intentional misdirection) at the Discovery Institute's website. http://www.discovery.org/a/6851
The article is in part attempting to refute a claim made in the NY Times Op Ed section that we share 98% of our DNA with chimpanzees.
"Even if the "98 percent" figure is true--and as we shall see, it probably isn't--this is nonsense.
Now Discovery Inst is supposed to be one of them GENEWINE Scientific organizations doing according to many of their adherants GENEWINE scientific research, but, they are not sure of the percentage DNA we share with Chimpanzees.
Later in the article is where the deception comes in.
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An article published in the Scientific American in 2006 ("Scientist Identifies Gene Difference Between Humans and Chimps") stated, "The DNA sequences of humans and chimpanzees are 98 percent identical. Yet that 2 percent difference represents at least 15 million changes in our genome since the time of our common [evolutionary] ancestor roughly 6 million years ago." (Recent fossil finds suggest the evolutionary paths of chimps and humans probably diverged about 20 million years ago.)
Beyond that, the 15 million "biological changes" may itself be a vast understatement. After the coding-DNA of the chimpanzee was fully mapped and compared with that of Homo sapiens, research published in Nature by an international consortium found that there are actually 40 million identifiable basic biological distinctions between the two species. This research was summarized in the Harvard Gazette in 2005: "Among the 3 billion base pairs [DNA building blocks] in the DNA of both humans and chimpanzees, researchers found differences in 40 million sites. It is in those sites where the differences between the two species lie." |
Shall we do the math the author neglected? What percentage of 3 BILLION is 40 million? 1.33%
If you read the rest he goes on to emphasize the number 40 million over and over again. He never however shows that while forty million is a mighty impressive number of differences it constitutes just over 1 100th of the total number of base pairs.
You don't think this omission was intentional do you? Naaaaah and Clinton's impeachment was just about sex and John Kerry was an honest noble brave warrior in Vietnam and ID isn't religous.
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"In short, Intelligent Design is very much our cause, and we should do everything we can to support it." -- Mustafa Akyol
"This isn't really, and never has been a debate about science. It's about religion and philosophy." Phillip Johnson
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...do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, ... 1 John 4:1
Shouldn't that include the Bible? -- Bouncer
"In short, Intelligent Design is not alien to Islam. It is very much our cause, and we should do everything we can to support it. " --Mustafa Akyol Islamonline |
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Carico
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| Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 4:19 am Post subject: Re: Another ID deception |
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| Bouncer wrote: | ID does not stand alone. Without the Theory of Evolution, ID would have nothing to say.
Funny when I wrote this several weeks ago I had no idea how often this thought would be validated.
I just finished an interesting article, (interesting not from a new information standpoint but interesting in it's intentional misdirection) at the Discovery Institute's website. http://www.discovery.org/a/6851
The article is in part attempting to refute a claim made in the NY Times Op Ed section that we share 98% of our DNA with chimpanzees.
"Even if the "98 percent" figure is true--and as we shall see, it probably isn't--this is nonsense.
Now Discovery Inst is supposed to be one of them GENEWINE Scientific organizations doing according to many of their adherants GENEWINE scientific research, but, they are not sure of the percentage DNA we share with Chimpanzees.
Later in the article is where the deception comes in.
| DI wrote: |
An article published in the Scientific American in 2006 ("Scientist Identifies Gene Difference Between Humans and Chimps") stated, "The DNA sequences of humans and chimpanzees are 98 percent identical. Yet that 2 percent difference represents at least 15 million changes in our genome since the time of our common [evolutionary] ancestor roughly 6 million years ago." (Recent fossil finds suggest the evolutionary paths of chimps and humans probably diverged about 20 million years ago.)
Beyond that, the 15 million "biological changes" may itself be a vast understatement. After the coding-DNA of the chimpanzee was fully mapped and compared with that of Homo sapiens, research published in Nature by an international consortium found that there are actually 40 million identifiable basic biological distinctions between the two species. This research was summarized in the Harvard Gazette in 2005: "Among the 3 billion base pairs [DNA building blocks] in the DNA of both humans and chimpanzees, researchers found differences in 40 million sites. It is in those sites where the differences between the two species lie." |
Shall we do the math the author neglected? What percentage of 3 BILLION is 40 million? 1.33%
If you read the rest he goes on to emphasize the number 40 million over and over again. He never however shows that while forty million is a mighty impressive number of differences it constitutes just over 1 100th of the total number of base pairs.
You don't think this omission was intentional do you? Naaaaah and Clinton's impeachment was just about sex and John Kerry was an honest noble brave warrior in Vietnam and ID isn't religous.
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"In short, Intelligent Design is very much our cause, and we should do everything we can to support it." -- Mustafa Akyol
"This isn't really, and never has been a debate about science. It's about religion and philosophy." Phillip Johnson |
Sorry but there is nothing true about the theory of evolution. In fact, that theory depends on the very design that they deny exists! Scientists use the cause-effect workings of nature to try to fit a square peg into a round hole and it doesn't work. Apes don't evolve into people any more than the fit are the only ones who survive. The fit and the unfit always co-exist in every society. So evolution is not only a hoax, it would be hilarious if it wasn't so tragic that men are ignorant & foolish enough to believe it.
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FFT
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| Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 4:40 am Post subject: |
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| Carico wrote: | | Sorry but there is nothing true about the theory of evolution. In fact, that theory depends on the very design that they deny exists! |
Natural selection can be a form of design. It works quite well for the purposes of designing objects, as well. It's called "IDDEA," or Interactive Discovery & Design by Evolutionary Algorithms. Basically you break down to the components of the parts that can be in a design (say, for an antenna), then you treat them as genes which can mutate. Simulate evolution on them (random mutation and natural selection by whichever arbitrary goal you're going for, like "ability to detect X-rays" or whatever) and viola, you come up with a product that no human would have designed but works exceedingly well. One of the early experiments with this sort of thing was on circuit boards and the result ended up being more efficient even though there were a few vestigial bits in it (just like actual evolution does!).
| Carico wrote: | | Apes don't evolve into people any more than the fit are the only ones who survive. |
People are apes, the fit tend to survive and tend to be more successful in passing on their genes. It's a trend, not an absolute.
| Carico wrote: | | So evolution is not only a hoax, it would be hilarious if it wasn't so tragic that men are ignorant & foolish enough to believe it. |
The tragedy is that people are willing to let their religious biases blind them to the facts. 
Do you believe the Earth is flat or that the Sun orbits around the Earth, too? Or that diseases are caused by demons? Or that the Moon actually gives off light on its own, not by reflecting the Sun? Or any number of other ideas proposed at one time by religion that were fought for until people finally wised up? I mean it's only been about 2300 years since people started to figure out the Earth was round (Isaiah 40:22 is referring to the horizon and besides a circle is flat anyway) and 450 years since it was mathematically proven that the Earth orbits the Sun and there are still small groups that seriously argue that neither is true (though most of the people arguing these things are doing it for laughs). There's no telling how long it'll be before creationism is seen just like the Flat Earth Society is now by nearly everybody.
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Bouncer
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| Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 5:52 am Post subject: Re: Another ID deception |
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| Carico wrote: | | Bouncer wrote: | ID does not stand alone. Without the Theory of Evolution, ID would have nothing to say.
Funny when I wrote this several weeks ago I had no idea how often this thought would be validated.
I just finished an interesting article, (interesting not from a new information standpoint but interesting in it's intentional misdirection) at the Discovery Institute's website. http://www.discovery.org/a/6851
The article is in part attempting to refute a claim made in the NY Times Op Ed section that we share 98% of our DNA with chimpanzees.
"Even if the "98 percent" figure is true--and as we shall see, it probably isn't--this is nonsense.
Now Discovery Inst is supposed to be one of them GENEWINE Scientific organizations doing according to many of their adherants GENEWINE scientific research, but, they are not sure of the percentage DNA we share with Chimpanzees.
Later in the article is where the deception comes in.
| DI wrote: |
An article published in the Scientific American in 2006 ("Scientist Identifies Gene Difference Between Humans and Chimps") stated, "The DNA sequences of humans and chimpanzees are 98 percent identical. Yet that 2 percent difference represents at least 15 million changes in our genome since the time of our common [evolutionary] ancestor roughly 6 million years ago." (Recent fossil finds suggest the evolutionary paths of chimps and humans probably diverged about 20 million years ago.)
Beyond that, the 15 million "biological changes" may itself be a vast understatement. After the coding-DNA of the chimpanzee was fully mapped and compared with that of Homo sapiens, research published in Nature by an international consortium found that there are actually 40 million identifiable basic biological distinctions between the two species. This research was summarized in the Harvard Gazette in 2005: "Among the 3 billion base pairs [DNA building blocks] in the DNA of both humans and chimpanzees, researchers found differences in 40 million sites. It is in those sites where the differences between the two species lie." |
Shall we do the math the author neglected? What percentage of 3 BILLION is 40 million? 1.33%
If you read the rest he goes on to emphasize the number 40 million over and over again. He never however shows that while forty million is a mighty impressive number of differences it constitutes just over 1 100th of the total number of base pairs.
You don't think this omission was intentional do you? Naaaaah and Clinton's impeachment was just about sex and John Kerry was an honest noble brave warrior in Vietnam and ID isn't religous.
_________________
"In short, Intelligent Design is very much our cause, and we should do everything we can to support it." -- Mustafa Akyol
"This isn't really, and never has been a debate about science. It's about religion and philosophy." Phillip Johnson |
Sorry but there is nothing true about the theory of evolution. In fact, that theory depends on the very design that they deny exists! Scientists use the cause-effect workings of nature to try to fit a square peg into a round hole and it doesn't work. Apes don't evolve into people any more than the fit are the only ones who survive. The fit and the unfit always co-exist in every society. So evolution is not only a hoax, it would be hilarious if it wasn't so tragic that men are ignorant & foolish enough to believe it. |
And we should take your word for this? What are your qualifications? What data have you examined?
Why are you posting off topic?
Just because you can't comprehend something certainly doesn't make it false. You are afraid to look at the volumes of research data accumulated over the last 150 plus years. Afraid to critically examine it.
Why are you afraid? Some ignorant person be it pastor parent sunday school teacher etc... has convinced you that if you do examine the data and doing so actually shows you what Evolution is all about you will burn in hell.
Please don't clutter my post with your nonsense. okay? You have no clue what you are talking about.
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...do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, ... 1 John 4:1
Shouldn't that include the Bible? -- Bouncer
"In short, Intelligent Design is not alien to Islam. It is very much our cause, and we should do everything we can to support it. " --Mustafa Akyol Islamonline |
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